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re: Mike Bianchi: Bobby Bowden better than both Nick Saban and Bear Bryant

Posted on 1/14/16 at 7:20 pm to
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 1/14/16 at 7:20 pm to
Well if you think richt was the reason it was as good as it was by himself, then you are an idiot. He was important but he sure didn't take all that with him to uga did he?????
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
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Posted on 1/14/16 at 7:30 pm to
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if you think richt was the reason it was as good as it was by himself,


didn't say that

It's not even worth arguing with you after you've had what one can only assume is a handful of bud tallboys at this point.
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 1/14/16 at 7:37 pm to
Yes you did say that. And I don't drink anymore. Be glad I am agreeing with you about giving richt as much credit as I am. Let's look what he really did st uga..... They have big game bob in the big 12 and they had missing out mark in the sec.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 1/14/16 at 7:39 pm to
Bowden built FSU.

They were a finishing school before he arrived.

But Paterno also made Penn State and had 5 undefeated seasons before he won his 1st National Title.

Paterno - 409–136–3

8X Coach of the year - 1968, 1972, 1978, 1981, 1982, 1986, 1994, 2005

There have been 4 coaches who have been named SI's Sportsman of the year.

John Wooden, Dean Smith, Coach K...

And Joe Paterno

He's the GOAT

According to the NCAA's 2008 Graduation Rates Report, Penn State's four-year Graduation Success Rate of 78% easily exceeds the 67% Division I average, second to only Northwestern among Big Ten institutions.


He and his wife Sue have contributed over $4 million towards various departments and colleges, including support for the Penn State All-Sports Museum, which opened in 2002, and the Pasquerilla Spiritual Center, which opened in 2003
Posted by jlnoles79
Member since Jan 2014
12903 posts
Posted on 1/14/16 at 7:43 pm to
quote:

Paterno - 409–136–3

8X Coach of the year - 1968, 1972, 1978, 1981, 1982, 1986, 1994, 2005

There have been 4 coaches who have been named SI's Sportsman of the year.

John Wooden, Dean Smith, Coach K...

And Joe Paterno

He's the GOAT

According to the NCAA's 2008 Graduation Rates Report, Penn State's four-year Graduation Success Rate of 78% easily exceeds the 67% Division I average, second to only Northwestern among Big Ten institutions.

He and his wife Sue have contributed over $4 million towards various departments and colleges, including support for the Penn State All-Sports Museum, which opened in 2002, and the Pasquerilla Spiritual Center, which opened in 2003




Also didn't snitch on child molesters
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 1/14/16 at 8:14 pm to
dude Bianchi says all kinds of stupid shite.
This post was edited on 1/14/16 at 8:15 pm
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 1/14/16 at 8:36 pm to
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How many titles would Bobby have if he got to play a championship game every year he had 1 loss? Saban has had 7 one loss seasons and played for the title in 6 of those years


Bowden had 5 one loss seasons in which he didn't get the opportunity to compete for the title....


You could also make the case that Bowden didn't deserve the title in 1993. Notre Dame got completely hosed that year. They beat Florida State in their head-to-head matchup that year. Notre Dame not only beat Florida State, they dominated them. The final score was not indicative of the game's competitiveness. Notre Dame controlled the line of scrimmage and had a double digit lead for a majority of the game. If it wasn't for a fluky TD off a deflected pass on 4th and 20, the final score would have been 31-17. So you have two teams with the same record and one team showed that they were clearly better than the other in the head-to-head matchup but the inferior team got to play for the national title because they had the "better loss". And I'm not even going to get into the 2000 Miami debacle. So spare me the nonsense about Bobby Bowden getting screwed out of opportunities to play for the national title.
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 1/14/16 at 8:41 pm to
The lack of more titles is the only thing holding Bowden back iMO.. Like my before post said... Just look at that 14 year w-l record.. Thats amazing and will NOT be done again IMO.............
Posted by SprintFun
Columbus, OH
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/14/16 at 10:10 pm to
If you want to marginalize national titles then Bill Snyder is the GOAT. And as a sign that he IS K-State football, look at their performance when he stepped away.
Posted by BZ504
Texas
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 1/14/16 at 10:27 pm to
This article is trash. I'm no Bama fan by all means, but how many NC games has Saban lost? And Saban has won in the SEC, not the weak ACC. Bowden was a good one, no doubt, but Saban has had way more success.
Posted by The Quiet One
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Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 1/14/16 at 10:28 pm to
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You could also make the case that Bowden didn't deserve the title in 1993.


That's a fact.

They also got a shot at a national championship in 2000 vs Oklahoma, even though they lost head-to-head against Miami and the Canes finished with the same record as they did.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
35604 posts
Posted on 1/14/16 at 11:30 pm to
THe 1987 Fiesta Bowl is the greatest upset in a major championship game in all of sports history.

Miami had outscored their opponents during the season 420-136 en route to a perfect regular season, were ranked #1 on offense (Penn State was like 90th) and were considered the best offense of all time back then.

Penn State barely beat Cincy, Maryland and Boston College...one of their biggest wins was easily destroying Alabama.

Miami scored over 30 points 7 times that season and scored over 21 points in every game.

Penn State held them to 10 points.

That's why he is the GOAT. You give Paterno a month to prepare and he could turn water into wine.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
35604 posts
Posted on 1/14/16 at 11:33 pm to
Give your false reports (totally debunked) a rest.

Sheep. Amazing how wrong 85% of the people are wrong about that whole affair because you are stupid and can't bother doing your own research.

Whenever I hear that from someone, I know I am talking with someone who can't think for themselves and just follow ESPN (who admitted they got it wrong in the eagerness to sensationalize.)

You probably still think the earth is flat.
This post was edited on 1/14/16 at 11:36 pm
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
18035 posts
Posted on 1/14/16 at 11:50 pm to
Doesn't joepa have a losing record to Saban?
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 1/15/16 at 12:01 am to
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THe 1987 Fiesta Bowl is the greatest upset in a major championship game in all of sports history
holy shite dude

it isn't even close to villanova over georgetown

and although we don't think of it as a big shock today, miami over nebraska in '84 -- the game where tom osborne didn't kick the PAT to take the MNC, but instead moronically went for 2 -- was huge at the time. many people were calling neb tGOAT CFB team, and trotting out the ol' "could they compete in the nfl?" bit
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
35604 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 12:08 am to
Ville lost by 2 points to Georgetown during the regular season.

Beating them in the NCAA as the greatest upset is a myth that the numbers don't back up.

Penn State beat Temple by 2 points during their championship season. (Temple, once declared in the 80's - the worst football program of all-time.)

I don't know if you were alive back then but Miami with Vinny (Heisman Trophy winner) was being touted as the greatest team of all-time.
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 12:10 am
Posted by Statsattack
Il
Member since Feb 2013
3897 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 12:14 am to
Jimmy Johnson is better college coach than Saban . Jimmy recruited more hall of gamers than Saban and majority of his hall of farmers were from okie state
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
35604 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 12:19 am to
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Notre Dame got completely hosed that year.


They did.

Like USC in 2008. No on respected Oregon State and no one respected Boston College.

ND won the game of the century and then lost next week on a last second long FG to BC.

It's why we have the MNC and still today. Stanford, Ohio State, etc. had an argument to play for the title.
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 12:19 am
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
35604 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 12:23 am to
If Jimmy Johnson had stayed in college he might have been the GOAT...

He turned Miami into such a machine...Erickson easily won a Natty. Same with Pete Carroll - if he had coached for 25 years in college.

But only one coach did...Paterno. He was coach of the year for every decade for 40 years.

And won a Natty every decade except 2000 - when he almost won...but did defeat Bowden in the Orange Bowl.
Posted by TheBuescherMan
Abu Dhabi
Member since May 2013
1231 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 2:53 am to
If the playoff system were around in the 90's, FSU would have more than just the 1993 and 1999 titles.
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