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re: Mike Bianchi: Bobby Bowden better than both Nick Saban and Bear Bryant
Posted on 1/14/16 at 5:28 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 1/14/16 at 5:28 pm to RollTide1987
if he's going that route, he might as well throw in howard schnellenberger too. miami was less than nothing, then for 20 years, they were the team to beat. sure, they don't have but a handful of titles in comparison to ND, USC, UA, etc. but that guy built a fricking program.
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Posted on 1/14/16 at 5:45 pm to Pettifogger
People keep saying 5 championships but what does that mean? That has a lot to do with luck and very little to do with individual accomplishment. Every time Saban finishes a season with 1 loss he plays for a championship. Bowden had several 1 loss seasons and rarely played for a championship.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 5:46 pm to Powerman
quote:
I do think an argument could be made. Didn't they have something like 13 consecutive top 4 finishes at one point?
IMO,
4 titles in 7 years and 5 in 11 years >> 13 straight top 4 finishes
Posted on 1/14/16 at 5:56 pm to Powerman
quote:
Didn't they have something like 13 consecutive top 4 finishes at one point?
from 87-00 they finished in the top 5 every season. In 01 they lost more games (4) than they had since 1986. Losing Richt demolished that program and it has only recently since recovered.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 5:59 pm to WG_Dawg
Ok. 
I guess Bowden had nothing to do with it . You are an idiot.
I guess Bowden had nothing to do with it . You are an idiot.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 6:00 pm to WG_Dawg
quote:
from 87-00 they finished in the top 5 every season. In 01 they lost more games (4) than they had since 1986. Promoting Jeff Bowden demolished that program and it has only recently since recovered.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 6:08 pm to SPEEDY
quote:How many titles would Bobby have if he got to play a championship game every year he had 1 loss? Saban has had 7 one loss seasons and played for the title in 6 of those years
MO,
4 titles in 7 years and 5 in 11 years >> 13 straight top 4 finishes
Bowden had 5 one loss seasons in which he didn't get the opportunity to compete for the title....
This post was edited on 1/14/16 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 1/14/16 at 6:11 pm to lsupride87
So Bowden had one undefeated season and 6 one loss seasons
Saban has had one undefeated season and 7 one loss seasons
That is pretty comparable. Winning a title in college football used to be as much about luck and votes as talent and accomplishments
Saban has had one undefeated season and 7 one loss seasons
That is pretty comparable. Winning a title in college football used to be as much about luck and votes as talent and accomplishments
Posted on 1/14/16 at 6:27 pm to lsupride87
quote:
How many titles would Bobby have if he got to play a championship game every year he had 1 loss?
Not a valid argument. From 1992 onward his team had a chance to play for the national championship under the Bowl Coalition, the Bowl Alliance, and the Bowl Championship Series.
1987: Lost to Miami, Miami and Oklahoma both were undefeated and played for all the marbles in the Orange Bowl
1988: Lost to Miami 31-0. If anything, Miami had earned a re-match game against Notre Dame for the title
1992: Lost to Miami. Both Miami and Alabama finished undefeated and played for all the marbles in the Sugar Bowl
1993: Won the national championship
1994: Lost to Miami and tied Florida. Penn State and Nebraska finished undefeated and would have played each other if the Big Ten and the Pac 10 had participated in the Bowl Coalition
1996: Lost to Florida in the national championship
1997: Lost to Florida. Michigan and Nebraska finished undefeated and would have played each other if the Big Ten and the Pac 10 participated in the Bowl Alliance
So your answer is zero.
This post was edited on 1/14/16 at 6:28 pm
Posted on 1/14/16 at 6:30 pm to RollTide1987
You completely missed the point.
A one loser season is a one loss season. Is it truly better just because you got lucky that there weren't two undefeated teams? No, it isn't. For example, Auburn went undefeated in 2004. Lsu won the championship in 2007 with 2 losses. It is clearly a better coaching job in 2004 but no title. That was my point.
A one loser season is a one loss season. Is it truly better just because you got lucky that there weren't two undefeated teams? No, it isn't. For example, Auburn went undefeated in 2004. Lsu won the championship in 2007 with 2 losses. It is clearly a better coaching job in 2004 but no title. That was my point.
This post was edited on 1/14/16 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 1/14/16 at 6:33 pm to lsupride87
I was just answering your question.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 6:35 pm to RollTide1987
While missing my point I understand why people use the national title argument, but it is lazy. Would Sabans season in 2012 be worse if Oregon doesn't lose to Stanford?
No
If it isn't an undefeated season you needed luck to make the title game. That makes you luckier not better than a coach from a season who had 1 loss and didn't make the title game
For the record I think Saban is better. I was just answering the titles argument
I understand why people use the national title argument, but it is lazy. Would Sabans season in 2012 be worse if Oregon doesn't lose to Stanford? No
If it isn't an undefeated season you needed luck to make the title game. That makes you luckier not better than a coach from a season who had 1 loss and didn't make the title game
For the record I think Saban is better. I was just answering the titles argument
This post was edited on 1/14/16 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 1/14/16 at 6:37 pm to lsupride87
FSU 1987-2000
1987=11-1 #2
1988=11-1 #3
1989=10-2 #3
1990=10-2 #4
1991=11-2 #4
1992=11-1 #2
1993=12-1 #1
1994=10-1-1 #4
1995=10-2 #4
1996=11-1 #3
1997=11-1 #3
1998=11-2 #3
1999=12-0 #1
2000=11-2 #5
NOBODY has a stretch like this.... NOBODY..........
1987=11-1 #2
1988=11-1 #3
1989=10-2 #3
1990=10-2 #4
1991=11-2 #4
1992=11-1 #2
1993=12-1 #1
1994=10-1-1 #4
1995=10-2 #4
1996=11-1 #3
1997=11-1 #3
1998=11-2 #3
1999=12-0 #1
2000=11-2 #5
NOBODY has a stretch like this.... NOBODY..........
Posted on 1/14/16 at 6:38 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Would Sabans season in 2012 be worse if Oregon doesn't lose to Stanford?
No
This is where we defer and where the difference lies between Alabama fans and everyone else.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 6:39 pm to dukke v
If Saban coaches 5 more years he will have a 13 year stretch that looks like that
since 2008 his 8 year stretch had been a joke
since 2008 his 8 year stretch had been a joke
Posted on 1/14/16 at 6:41 pm to RollTide1987
quote:So if Stanford misses the kick against Oregon that makes Sabans season worse because why? If you think it does then Bama fans are dumber than I thought. Yes you wouldn't be as happy with the season because you don't have a title but it changed ZERO of Sabans coaching.
This is where we defer and where the difference lies between Alabama fans and everyone else.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 6:47 pm to lsupride87
quote:
If Saban coaches 5 more years he will have a 13 year stretch that looks like that
Make it 6 more years and that will = the 14.
The record will not be = but the titles will be more and the top 5 finished will not be equal.....
Posted on 1/14/16 at 6:58 pm to lsupride87
quote:
So if Stanford misses the kick against Oregon that makes Sabans season worse because why? If you think it does then Bama fans are dumber than I thought.
Because we don't win the national championship. Duh. And "worse" isn't the word I would use. "Disappointing" is a more appropriate term.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 7:01 pm to RollTide1987
I agree it would be more disappointing. But that isn't what this discussion is about. It is about coaching
If Saban had his one loss seasons in years in which two other teams go undefeated he would have been screwed in his quest for national titles . That happened four times for Bobby.
If Saban had his one loss seasons in years in which two other teams go undefeated he would have been screwed in his quest for national titles . That happened four times for Bobby.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 7:14 pm to dukke v
quote:
I guess Bowden had nothing to do with it .
I was clearly being facetious. Although, it is QUITE obvious that richt leaving did have a major impact on the program. I mean, just look at the stats and how their games turned out. Pretty obvious.
quote:
You are an idiot.
You are, literally, one of the last people on this entire website that can call me (let alone anyone else) an idiot.
This post was edited on 1/14/16 at 7:17 pm
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