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re: Michael Jordan: Only four active players would be stars if they played in my era
Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:55 pm to dukke v
Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:55 pm to dukke v
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SERIOUS??? You were there in the 80's?????
pj stories/reports don't just disappear once they are done. you realize that, right?
i can read what was reported about michael jordan in the 80s today. i didn't have to be there
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Yes he would.
did the public support allen iverson's shitty off court behavior?
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Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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pj stories/reports don't just disappear once they are done. you realize that, right?
I know this but they do not do justice compared to living through it. You think today is better than yesterday cause you did not live through it and give a fair assessment. Its fact Jake. I respect that you know a shitload about sports. But I have lived through both eras, Think about it. Is MJ a jerk. Sure he always has been , but to think he would not be as good as he was back then in todays game is just STUPID.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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magic was amazing, but he wouldn't be the same guy today for sure. the lack of the 80s frantic paces would hurt him
Today's scoring pace is one reason people feel the game has declined. Could today's defenses match those offenses and physical play. One reason the games are slower today is because the average player is not as skilled they were 20-30 years ago. Blame AAU ball and most of the best players of today leaving college after their first year. This prevents them from developing well rounded games.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:10 pm to mikelowery1911
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Today's scoring pace is one reason people feel the game has declined. Could today's defenses match those offenses and physical play. One reason the games are slower today is because the average player is not as skilled they were 20-30 years ago. Blame AAU ball and most of the best players of today leaving college after their first year. This prevents them from developing well rounded games
CHA-CHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:12 pm to mikelowery1911
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Today's scoring pace is one reason people feel the game has declined.
from when?
we're talking about 3 distinct eras
80s fastbreak (little defense except cheap shots here or there)
90s post-bad boy ball (all grabbing, physical defense and offense based on isolation ball)
neo-NBA (post-rules changes that sped up the game so that it could find a middle road b/w 80s offense and 90s defense. it really opened up the perimeter-driving play)
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Could today's defenses match those offenses and physical play.
yes
and they would destroy the non-physical and weak 80s offenses
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One reason the games are slower today is because the average player is not as skilled they were 20-30 years ago
that is wrong
the game is slower today b/c, as the bad boys showed us all, if you play super aggro D and isolate, you reduce the chance of the other team scoring. it's like a football team based around "running and defense." butler runs this in college
that style almost killed the NBA
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and most of the best players of today leaving college after their first year.
that is good for the NBA skill level
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. This prevents them from developing well rounded games.
this is the most well-rounded era of NBA ball
good offense. good defense. versatile players. efficient offensive systems using advanced theories and not gut feelings
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
in 1986/87, the league average pace was 100.8
in 2012/13, the league average pace is 91.8
that's 9 more possessions per 48 minutes, or about a 10% increase from today's game
in 2012/13, the league average pace is 91.8
that's 9 more possessions per 48 minutes, or about a 10% increase from today's game
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
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yes and they would destroy the non-physical and weak 80s offenses
WHAT?? The Lakers and Celtic teams frm the 80's would destroy the HEAT right now .
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and most of the best players of today leaving college after their first year. that is good for the NBA skill level
Negative. They are not developed enough. There are exceptions but not that many.
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this is the most well-rounded era of NBA ball
PROVE THIS STATEMENT. YOU CAN'T. The players are bigger and stronger but the fundamentals are not even close to the 80's or 90's.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:21 pm to dukke v
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The players are bigger and stronger but the fundamentals are not even close to the 80's or 90's.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:22 pm to dukke v
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The Lakers and Celtic teams frm the 80's would destroy the HEAT right now .
physically?
you think he
would destroy him?
how?
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They are not developed enough.
the NBA develops them, and they do a better job than college
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:23 pm to dukke v
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but the fundamentals are not even close to the 80's or 90's.
PROVE THIS STATEMENT
see how easy that was?
the NBA today is an era dominated by guys with amazing dribbling and passing ability and so much shooting that big men are jumpshooters. how is that not a development in skill/fundamentals?
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:24 pm to dukke v
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WHAT?? The Lakers and Celtic teams frm the 80's would destroy the HEAT right now .
Brother, Lebron James is quite possibly the greatest physical specimen to play in ANY sport EVER. There isn't a soul in any era of basketball who could contain him.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the NBA today is an era dominated by guys with amazing dribbling and passing ability
They did not have players that could do this back in the 80's and 90's?????
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and so much shooting that big men are jumpshooters
This I will agree with.
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how is that not a development in skill/fundamentals?
There are few exceptions[as I said to a guy coming out after one year or straight from HS. But not many.
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PROVE THIS STATEMENT see how easy that was?
AGAIN. You were NOT there.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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how?
OK. Who gaurds Jabbar??? Who gaurds Magic?? Who stops worthy??? Let Bron bring that shite into the lane and Rambis breaks his face.
As far as the Celts??? The Heat have NOBODY to stop Bird ,Parrish OR McHale. Dennis Johnson would eat Wades lunch.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:30 pm to SabiDojo
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Lebron James is quite possibly the greatest physical specimen to play in ANY sport EVER
I agree. But I have NEVER seen ONE player win a BBALL game by himself.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:34 pm to dukke v
Smits, Willis, sabonis, and divac would be stars today
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:34 pm to dukke v
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Let Bron bring that shite into the lane and Rambis breaks his face.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:35 pm to dukke v
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I agree. But that doesn't means its better. The reason these guys in todays game have to do some of those stupid TRICK dunks is BECAUSE of Jordan and Wilkins. This is what you do not get.
............ Oh stop it. When did I say that wasn't the case? In fact I'm pretty sure I said the exact reason guys that dunk contest appears to suck is because guys have to push the envelop to nearly impossible dunks because all the others have been done. That was logically imply that Jordan and Wilkins had a place in this.
But you're changing your point over and over and over. You said that those dunks would win contests today because they're better. They wouldn't, and they're not. For their time, they were great, and they're still great with context, but they're relics in a modern dunk contest. That's what you don't get.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:35 pm to dukke v
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I agree. But I have NEVER seen ONE player win a BBALL game by himself.
Did you forget the Elimination Game in Boston during the playoffs last year?
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:36 pm to SabiDojo
I don't see him going in on the 80's Lakers like that.
BTW I LOVE the missed dunk.
BTW I LOVE the missed dunk.
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