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Posted on 8/29/17 at 10:21 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:There's no chance in the world that a supporting cast of a 3 win team without Stafford is every going to win anything meaningful with Stafford.
They're a perennial 3-win team without him.
quote:First, it's not about who will come in immediately and be an upgrade. It's about a couple of things.
Again, who can they get that would be an upgrade? He's a borderline top-10 QB.
- Conceding he's probably not even a top 10 QB should really throw up serious red flags about giving him that much money.
- It's more about recognizing the QB you have, especially at this new price, is not good enough to do real winning in the playoffs, so what exactly are you doing the next 5 years, other than prolonging the inevitable?
- As you mentioned with the supporting cast, there's a couple of issues at play. First, Stafford isn't good enough to overcome said supporting cast. And 2nd, they'll now have even less money to work to improve that supporting cast.
Posted on 8/30/17 at 3:11 am to shel311
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Don't elite QBs usually overcome that and still have their offenses ranked in the top half of the league? Especially when we're talking about passing offenses.
Elite qbs do not thrtes barely a handful
Brady Brees Rodgers right now can with a nobodies and put the team on their back
It's really wild a guy like Stafford becomes the highest paid player ever but the price for even competent qbs continues to skyrocket today. Owners just want decent stability there.
Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:09 am to Bunk Moreland
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One playoff win in 60 years. fricking go to bed, shel.
Because of decisions like this one.
Nailed it!!!
Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:11 am to beauchristopher
quote:That's fine, and they'll get stability with no chance of real winning.
Owners just want decent stability there.
Posted on 8/30/17 at 10:30 am to shel311
stafford has absolute shite talent surrounding him in detroit. what he has done there is nothing short of a miracle.
probably the most underrated qb in the league. put stafford on the seahawks, and they make the super bowl every year.
probably the most underrated qb in the league. put stafford on the seahawks, and they make the super bowl every year.
Posted on 8/30/17 at 10:37 am to Switzerland
quote:He's not the problem, agreed. He's also not the solution.
stafford has absolute shite talent surrounding him in detroit.
quote:Easy there with more than a miracle talk.
what he has done there is nothing short of a miracle
quote:
probably the most underrated qb in the league. put stafford on the seahawks, and they make the super bowl every year.
Posted on 8/30/17 at 10:37 am to Switzerland
quote:
probably the most underrated qb in the league. put stafford on the seahawks, and they make the super bowl every year.
Posted on 8/30/17 at 10:42 am to shel311
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He's also not the solution
I think most people understand football is a team game.
Posted on 8/30/17 at 10:43 am to brgfather129
quote:I do too.
I think most people understand football is a team game.
Posted on 8/30/17 at 10:44 am to shel311
Apparently not.
Posted on 8/30/17 at 10:48 am to shel311
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He's not the problem, agreed. He's also not the solution.
What's the difference between him and a QB that is the solution? What are the specific deficiencies in his game that are holding him back from being that guy that you would pay for?
Posted on 8/30/17 at 10:51 am to Goldrush25
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What's the difference between him and a QB that is the solution?
Cue up the "record against teams above .500" argument from someone who "understands football is a team game"
Posted on 8/30/17 at 10:54 am to Goldrush25
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What's the difference between him and a QB that is the solution? What are the specific deficiencies in his game that are holding him back from being that guy that you would pay for?
Probably because he's not Brady/Brees/Rodgers.
Posted on 8/30/17 at 10:59 am to brgfather129
quote:Because I don't think he's worth $92mil guaranteed?
Apparently not.
That doesn't make sense, such a weird logic leap.
Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:01 am to Wally Sparks
Yet we've seen that you don't even need that level of QB to win a SB. So I'm just wanting to know what he lacks that guys like Flacco have?
Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:01 am to brgfather129
quote:Funny you say that as you don't understand he will now have an even worse supporting cast due to having less money to give out to other players.
Cue up the "record against teams above .500" argument from someone who "understands football is a team game"
But hey, keep on keeping on!!!
Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:02 am to shel311
Because you keep bringing up no playoff wins in 8 years and his record against good teams.
Maybe that.
The difference between Brees / Ryan and Stafford at this age is one playoff win. But he hasn't won a playoff game by age 30... so time to move on.
Maybe that.
The difference between Brees / Ryan and Stafford at this age is one playoff win. But he hasn't won a playoff game by age 30... so time to move on.
This post was edited on 8/30/17 at 11:05 am
Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:07 am to Goldrush25
quote:2 questions/points on that:
Yet we've seen that you don't even need that level of QB to win a SB. So I'm just wanting to know what he lacks that guys like Flacco have?
1. Those examples of QBs worse than Stafford to win a title are outliers and not the norm, you'd agree?
2. Name all the inferior QBs that did that with a salary figure near the top of QB rankings?
The Flaccos and Dilfers of the world were able to do that on team friendly contracts, allowing them to mask their QBs deficiencies by being great in other areas. Detroit does not have that luxury by giving that much money to their QB, which everyone should agree is not a good value deal.
Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:08 am to shel311
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Funny you say that as you don't understand he will now have an even worse supporting cast due to having less money to give out to other players.
What was the team doing to assemble a roster before he got this contract? Can't use that as an excuse all of the sudden.
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