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re: Marcus Freeman > Brian Kelly
Posted on 10/18/25 at 11:16 pm to GoGators1995
Posted on 10/18/25 at 11:16 pm to GoGators1995
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Playoff wins then. Busted!
It's comparing apples and oranges under totally different systems.
Getting to play 2024 Indiana in a playoff game is not the same as 2018 Clemson or 2020 Bama, two of what are considered the best teams of all time.
I am coming more to the dark side, though, as it looks more and more like Kelly is great a getting programs to the consistently good but not able to get them over the hump.
And I do like Freeman and he's done a great job at maintaining what Kelly built at Notre Dame.
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Posted on 10/18/25 at 11:16 pm to John Casey
Wonder why you left out the Sugar Bowl against UGA. Hmm... 
And this is rich considering how y'all pump up BK's Citrus Bowl wins on the Rant.
And this is rich considering how y'all pump up BK's Citrus Bowl wins on the Rant.
This post was edited on 10/18/25 at 11:17 pm
Posted on 10/18/25 at 11:17 pm to bayoujd
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Name a major bowl win from Kelly
Who cares about bowl wins?
It's national championship or bust.
Posted on 10/18/25 at 11:18 pm to John Casey
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Who cares about bowl wins?
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LSU Fan
Posted on 10/18/25 at 11:20 pm to John Casey
So you consider Curly Hallman to be a coaching equal to Brian Kelly? Wow.
Posted on 10/18/25 at 11:21 pm to GoGators1995
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Wonder why you left out the Sugar Bowl against UGA
OK, a playoff win vs a UGA team without its starting QB.
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And this is rich considering how y'all pump up BK's Citrus Bowl wins on the Rant.
I don't pump up any bowl wins. They are glorified scrimmages.
Posted on 10/18/25 at 11:24 pm to John Casey
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I am coming more to the dark side, though, as it looks more and more like Kelly is great a getting programs to the consistently good but not able to get them over the hump.
ND fans have been telling yall that since day 1, but got called “jealous” and “bitter” for it.
Posted on 10/18/25 at 11:25 pm to GoGators1995
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LSU Fan
So you understand that as an LSU fan I have to defend Kelly over Freeman (at Notre Dame) until Kelly is no longer my coach, lol.
Posted on 10/18/25 at 11:26 pm to John Casey
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OK, a playoff win vs a UGA team without its starting QB.
And UGA has been better with Stockton vs Beck, so...
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I don't pump up any bowl wins.
Posted on 10/18/25 at 11:27 pm to lionward2014
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ND fans have been telling yall that since day 1, but got called “jealous” and “bitter” for it.
I still think a guy like Kelly or Franklin, who had built programs from the ground up, was needed by LSU to clean up O's mess with the hope that it could be different at LSU.
Posted on 10/18/25 at 11:27 pm to John Casey
Well should've thought about that before this thread.
Posted on 10/18/25 at 11:29 pm to John Casey
I still want to know - are Curley Hallman and Brian Kelly coaching equals?
Posted on 10/18/25 at 11:31 pm to John Casey
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I still think a guy like Kelly or Franklin, who had built programs from the ground up, was needed by LSU to clean up O's mess with the hope that it could be different at LSU
Sure, I think in LSU’s position at the time hiring Kelly was the right call, but the large contingency that started clearing off mantle space for national titles and refusing to hear criticism of him were dead wrong.
Posted on 10/18/25 at 11:37 pm to Jwho77
They both suck
Posted on 10/18/25 at 11:40 pm to bayoujd
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I still want to know - are Curley Hallman and Brian Kelly coaching equals?
At LSU, in terms of national championships?
Yes, they are equals.
Has Kelly at LSU won more games and reached a higher level than Hallman at LSU?
Kelly is better than Hallman because he reached SEC Championship game and has won more games.
My whole issue with Kelly/Freeman situation at Notre Dame is that it was being sold as Freeman bringing Notre Dame to levels never before seen under Kelly, when they both achieved the same level of success in their 3rd season: a loss in a national championship game.
They were/are both good for Notre Dame. Kelly was the right guy when he was hired and brought Notre Dame back to prominence and stability. Kelly got boring and tiresome never getting over the hump and now Freeman seems better suited for this new era of college football at Notre Dame.
Posted on 10/18/25 at 11:48 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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Notre Dame in the NIL era is not fair to compare to Notre Dame in the pre-NIL era.
As an ND fan, I do think that’s a fair statement. We have an advantage now that we didn’t have ten years ago. But that also makes me question the structure pre-NIL, because a lot of these programs, especially Southern programs, kinda struggling post-NIL are in actuality resource-poor programs who were willing to cheat their asses off and don’t know what to do now that everyone, including truly wealthy schools, can pay players.
But John Casey also conveniently leaves out Kelly’s first SEVEN years at ND when we had a lot of middling to bad teams. Freeman has never and will never have anything as bad as 2010 (which was a loaded team talent-wise - the one thing Weis could do well was recruit) or 2011 or 2014 or 2016.
Kelly had his hand forced by our old AD to stop hiring crony coordinators and he pulled in, consecutively, Mike Elko, Clark Lea (LB coach under Elko), and Marcus Freeman to stem the bleeding after ‘16 (otherwise his arse was gone). Not sure that’s the sign of a quality coach to have that forced on you, but take that as it is.
There’s also the intangible element that’s hard to fully articulate, but Kelly’s teams, even his best ND teams, never played with the edge and physicality that Freeman’s teams play with. That clown show LSU had today at the goal line gave me goddamn PTSD.
Posted on 10/19/25 at 12:06 am to John Casey
I don’t feel like going back through all of your posts. But you clearly said the only level that matters is winning a national championship. Therefore, by your logic, Hallman and Kelly are equal coaches. Ludicrous.
As for this gem, Freeman certainly has taken Notre Dame to a new level. Until last year, Notre Dame had not won a major bowl game since 1992 against Florida in the Sugar Bowl. Freeman won 2 major bowl games just last year - Sugar Bowl and Orange Bowl. So yeah, I would say that’s a new level. Kelly couldn’t sniff a win in a major bowl, and without looking it up, I don’t think he was within 3 TDs of winning any of his major bowl games.
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My whole issue with Kelly/Freeman situation at Notre Dame is that it was being sold as Freeman bringing Notre Dame to levels never before seen under Kelly, when they both achieved the same level of success in their 3rd season: a loss in a national championship game.
As for this gem, Freeman certainly has taken Notre Dame to a new level. Until last year, Notre Dame had not won a major bowl game since 1992 against Florida in the Sugar Bowl. Freeman won 2 major bowl games just last year - Sugar Bowl and Orange Bowl. So yeah, I would say that’s a new level. Kelly couldn’t sniff a win in a major bowl, and without looking it up, I don’t think he was within 3 TDs of winning any of his major bowl games.
Posted on 10/19/25 at 2:04 am to bayoujd
The perception of BK was aided because the following were ND’s coaches from 1997-2009:
Bob Davie
Ty Willingham
Charlie Weis
The narrative was no one could win at ND anymore. In reality, the three coaches before BK were absolutely terrible coaches, so it made an average college football coach like Brian Kelly look like a miracle worker.
Scott Woodward’s an idiot and bought it. How sad for LSU.
Bob Davie
Ty Willingham
Charlie Weis
The narrative was no one could win at ND anymore. In reality, the three coaches before BK were absolutely terrible coaches, so it made an average college football coach like Brian Kelly look like a miracle worker.
Scott Woodward’s an idiot and bought it. How sad for LSU.
Posted on 10/19/25 at 6:30 am to Jwho77
They’re both garbage
Posted on 10/19/25 at 7:01 am to lionward2014
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If my aunt had a pecker she would be my uncle.
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