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re: Magically the PGA found extra money!!!
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:35 am to Topwater Trout
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:35 am to Topwater Trout
The tour could have avoided this if they weren’t so greedy. Bottom line. As recently as nine months ago they could have avoided this. Monohan turned the deal down.
Monohan blew it
Monohan blew it
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Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:36 am to Topwater Trout
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Why is the PGA the ultimate tour in golf?
Do better.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:38 am to bamameister
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The PGA made it clear that even though these guys are referred to as free agents or independent contractors they can exercise their independence only where they say they can go.
You can't be more wrong on this than you are. The PGA tour doesnt have a contact with any player. There are standing rules that apply that are v agreed to as part of membership. The PGA tour has never said Phil can't play in the LIV ... They don't have a contract with Phil. It's a voluntary membership ( granted it's a monopoly but if a better offer ...LIV... Comes along Phil has the right to do as he pleases) the equal/opposite reaction to that decision is as deemed by the commissioner ( and other players) is that .... You forfeit your rights to access the PGA tour when you opt to play for a competing tour to the detriment of the PGA Tour. There is no "non compete" clause in the PGA tour... But you also don't get it both ways. There are things my employer will not allow me to do...meaning I can actually do them but I either need to get permission or terminate my employment..I knew this signing on. If a side gig that conflicted with my current main job became a better option I would look into it but also not expect my current employer to say " it's ok for you to work at rival part time and us part time"
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:40 am to lsupride87
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Thats actually just called a Phil lie
Whatever it is, it's a hell of a lot more today. Phil wasn't wrong about that.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:44 am to lsupride87
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You keep saying this but do you have any proof of that besides Phil’s ramblings? Where is any report or proofs the players on the board don’t get access to financials
Dude, really?
Google “pga tour transparency”. There are several articles on the front page discussing transparency of financials and discipline. Cantlay said something in March I believe. If the pga were transparent why wouldn’t Monohan describe to the players where the books can be accessed and why wouldn’t he be screaming this to the press? That would do wonders for public opinion. Which is clearly what they are aiming for…and missing badly.
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 11:46 am
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:45 am to BBONDS25
quote:Yes really. Show me a report that the players don’t have access to the financials through their players representatives
Dude, really?
Here is what you get when you Google it
From the USA Today article
quote:So, a buzz word just like I thought that you have matched onto
Transparency is the latest buzz word on the PGA Tour, especially in light of the challenge from rival golf leagues and what the tour can do to improve its relationship with players.
No one has offered a clear example of the lack of transparency,
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 11:48 am
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:45 am to bamameister
Why won’t you answer? Why is the NFL, MLB, NBA considered the best? It’s all about $
If the Saudi’s decided they wanted to start a pro football league that consisted of 5 games and 10x salary during November and December would you think the NFL could persuade the players to stay?
If the Saudi’s decided they wanted to start a pro football league that consisted of 5 games and 10x salary during November and December would you think the NFL could persuade the players to stay?
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:49 am to lsupride87
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Transparency is the latest buzz word on the PGA Tour, especially in light of the challenge from rival golf leagues and what the tour can do to improve its relationship with players. No one has offered a clear example of the lack of transparency, So, a buzz word just like I thought that you have matched onto
Yikes dude. We have been debating in good faith with each other. Why didn’t you post the rest of that very same article where Cantlay specifically bemoans not being able to access financials?
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:49 am to Topwater Trout
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If the Saudi’s decided they wanted to start a pro football league that consisted of 5 games and 10x salary during November and December would you think the NFL could persuade the players to stay?
Monohan had a chance 9 months ago to kill off the LIV tour. He declined. His hubris got us in this situation. And you are defending it. While calling all of us dumb. Amazing.
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 11:50 am
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:51 am to lsupride87
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And requested transparency which was denied.
You keep saying this but do you have any proof of that besides Phil’s ramblings? Where is any report or proofs the players on the board don’t get access to financials
To this point... Rory is the chairman of the Players Advisory counsel and indicated he ( in that capacity) has seen the audited numbers ..I think his comment was that he has seen the figures and that they are audited by a major firm...I don't see any reason not to believe the output
Maybe that's why Rory is so vocal.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:51 am to SuperOcean
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They don't have a contract with Phil. It's a voluntary membership ( granted it's a monopoly but if a better offer ...LIV... Comes along Phil has the right to do as he pleases)
So why should anyone feel sorry for the PGA? They seem to have a shovel in both hands from what I can see. The rest of this stuff is just verbal hocus pocus.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:53 am to BBONDS25
quote:Tell me where he says he can’t access them?
Yikes dude. We have been debating in good faith with each other. Why didn’t you post the rest of that very same article where Cantlay specifically bemoans not being able to access financials?
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“I would say one of the tough things about the way it's set up out here is the onus tends to be on the player to go and figure those things out for himself,” Cantlay said. “There's not like a big debrief, or there's no one that is a professional that's really looking into it. So it seems as though if a player is interested, he can try and go down that rabbit hole and figure it out. But he's kind of on his own.”
Let’s see your good faith…..
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:54 am to bamameister
Who feels sorry for the PGA? It’s a battle between the PGA and LIV. One will win and one wont. We are just people rooting for one or the other
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:56 am to lsupride87
Dude…literally the next sentence:
That would relate mainly to financials and business models, and Cantlay — again, no surprise — has taken time to inspect both.
Why won’t the tour just provide the books? Why does a player have to try to figure it out on his own?
That would relate mainly to financials and business models, and Cantlay — again, no surprise — has taken time to inspect both.
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he can try and go down that rabbit hole and figure it out. But he's kind of on his own.”
Why won’t the tour just provide the books? Why does a player have to try to figure it out on his own?
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 11:57 am
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:56 am to BBONDS25
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Monohan turned the deal down.
Actually it was their corporate lawyer Ed Herlihy
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After Monahan took in the information at the meeting — “Jay was seemingly on board as we were dealing with all the intricacies of it,’’ according to one of the people involved in the presentation — he brought it to the chairman of the PGA Tour’s Policy Board, Ed Herlihy.
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On Oct. 30, according to one of the sources, it was shot down by Herlihy, a powerful corporate attorney, who told the investor: “If it’s not 100 percent owned and controlled by the PGA Tour, it will be viewed as hostile.’’
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:57 am to bamameister
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So why should anyone feel sorry for the PGA? They seem to have a shovel in both hands from what I can see. The rest of this stuff is just verbal hocus pocus
I'm lost with the shovels analogy...
I think I get it in a "cake and eat it too" way... But even then I still not seeing how that applies. What is it that the PGA tour is getting
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:58 am to MikeD
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Actually it was their corporate lawyer Ed Herlihy
Hadn’t seen his quote:
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If it’s not 100 percent owned and controlled by the PGA Tour, it will be viewed as hostile.’’
Damn. How is that working out for you Herlihy?
Posted on 6/23/22 at 12:03 pm to Dawgsontop34
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The issue is that LIV is not going to make money.
So it’s nearly impossible to compete monetarily with a company that knows it’s going to lose $ going forward.
So simulate them. Business 101. You can't beat them, join them. The PGA has JOINED every freakin professional golf league in the world. They have even aligned themselves up with the Saudi Internation tourney.
Dude, who's making all the rules here? And if they go down, it will just be like Custer at this point. They both had it coming.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 12:04 pm to BBONDS25
Man you are being painfully obtuse. Once an outside entity came with u minted funds not tied to profit, the PGA was at war
If they peacefully let the players choose to play on LIV, thats 8 tournaments for now that soon goes to 14…..
So, after multiple years of all the top players playing on LIV, that builds their brand immensely. So they are completely established at that point and would have tv deals, the public audience, etc
Now what? Now how does the PGA tour continue. Your top players at minimum have 18 tournaments on their calendars. What’s left for you? You are completely unneeded, as you just helped create your rival tour
If they peacefully let the players choose to play on LIV, thats 8 tournaments for now that soon goes to 14…..
So, after multiple years of all the top players playing on LIV, that builds their brand immensely. So they are completely established at that point and would have tv deals, the public audience, etc
Now what? Now how does the PGA tour continue. Your top players at minimum have 18 tournaments on their calendars. What’s left for you? You are completely unneeded, as you just helped create your rival tour
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 12:06 pm
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