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re: Lynn Swann: Calvin Johnson has not done enough to be considered a HOFer
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:56 pm to Bench McElroy
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:56 pm to Bench McElroy
I've always liked Swann, it's too bad he's talking such nonsense.
I read one of Bradshaw's autobios in the '90s. IIRC in it he strongly implied he thought Stallworth > Swann.
I suppose Swann deserves to be in the HOF as much as Bradshaw does.
I read one of Bradshaw's autobios in the '90s. IIRC in it he strongly implied he thought Stallworth > Swann.
I suppose Swann deserves to be in the HOF as much as Bradshaw does.
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Posted on 2/10/16 at 5:46 pm to Bench McElroy
Regardless of his own HOF credentials, I agree.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 6:12 pm to dukke v
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Stallworth>>>>>>>>>>>>>Swann. End of story.......... Drew Pearson>>>>>>>>>.Swann...End of story......
Hell, Harold Jackson>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Swann
And nobody even knows who he is and he will never even sniff the HOF, not even on the veterans committee.
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And then there's Henry Ellard, who has more receiving yards than all three of them.
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This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 2/10/16 at 6:32 pm to slackster
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Owens should have been a 1st ballot guy
I really think he got penalized for his antics
Posted on 2/10/16 at 6:42 pm to dukke v
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Not HOF worthy... Of all the Steelers in the HOF. He should be the one NOT in............
Can I go back in time and put money on Swann being enshrined?
Posted on 2/10/16 at 6:55 pm to Bench McElroy
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Lynn Swann retired at age 30 with 336 catches for 5,462 yads and 51 touchdowns. But Swann says that Calvin Johnson, who’s expected to retire at the age of 30 with 731 catches for 11,619 yards and 83 touchdowns, shouldn’t join him in the Hall of Fame.
The only statement this quote makes is how much the game has changed.
I'm getting sick and tired of people spouting yards and stats from this modern era and calling GOAT.
Do some damn research, educate yourself and learn.
Not everything is GOAT today - in fact, today's stats are the most questionable stats in the history of the NFL...half fraudulent.
...and NFL stats don't mean shite from 2004-2015 (Goodell made sure of that with Bill Polian.) This has been the flag football era and basketball on grass, can't touch QBs, can't touch receivers, can't tackle high or low.
What Swann did in his era was 10X more impressive. What Stabler did - and finally he got inducted.
The 1970's were the most difficult era BY FAR for offenses in the NFL.
Most top 25 defenses by stats - are all from the 1970's before the Mel Blount rule.
It amazes me how some people know jack shite about the history of the NFL - and yet want to talk about it on the internet...
Learn the rule changes in 1978 and 2004 and officiating bias protocol the last 5 years for offense only.
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 2/10/16 at 11:12 pm to Bench McElroy
Swann 
Posted on 2/10/16 at 11:21 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
You're more than welcome to compare Swann to receivers in his own era. He still doesn't stack up.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 11:54 pm to Bench McElroy
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“Calvin Johnson has an extreme amount of talent and ability, but when you start to look at his team, the success of his team and did he lift that team; he made them a little bit better, but at the end of the day, I’m not quite sure.”
well that is a fricking arrogant thing to say.
frick some of these old timers thinking their game was so much better.
when I go back and watch a game from even the early 90's I'm not blown away.
nostalgia is nice and all but they really need to get over themselves sometimes.
Megatron is ten times better than that fricking puke Lynn Swann.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:00 am to Jcorye1
I agree.
Swann is one of the more outrageous selections to the HOF along with Namath and Dungy.
But the fact remains, OP posted stupid stats as if that's the be all and end all.
The 1970's were called the Dead Ball era for a reason.
And while Swann is probably not Hall worthy - you have to take his stats and multiple by 3X for modern inflation.
Swann is one of the more outrageous selections to the HOF along with Namath and Dungy.
But the fact remains, OP posted stupid stats as if that's the be all and end all.
The 1970's were called the Dead Ball era for a reason.
And while Swann is probably not Hall worthy - you have to take his stats and multiple by 3X for modern inflation.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:04 am to LooseCannon22282
The old game wasn't better.
It was just more physical and far more difficult to move the ball.
You could hug and tackle receivers at the line of scrimmage - you could murder QBs - high and low...you could take the heads off of receivers going across the middle as linebackers...it's why receiver didn't go across the middle...today they can't be touched.
No one is saying one is better...but you absolutely can't compare eras with stats...things change and the game changed. More fan friendly today, that is all.
It was just more physical and far more difficult to move the ball.
You could hug and tackle receivers at the line of scrimmage - you could murder QBs - high and low...you could take the heads off of receivers going across the middle as linebackers...it's why receiver didn't go across the middle...today they can't be touched.
No one is saying one is better...but you absolutely can't compare eras with stats...things change and the game changed. More fan friendly today, that is all.
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 12:05 am
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:21 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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The old game wasn't better.
I mean the short passing game of today has sort of taken the place of the short running game of back then right? No big deal there.. at least in my opinion.
the illegal contact fouls are horseshite though and they have no business being ruled an automatic 1st down either. That is legit bull crap there.. I'll give you that.
QB protection: It was only a matter of time. When the contracts for the position start to get insane well.. so will the agendas around them. You have a jerk off commissioner like Roger Goodell thinking he is improving the game just because he is bringing a lot of money. The game itself is super tilting because the officiating is so inconsistent. I doubt some frickhead like Goodell cares about that as long as the league isn't getting sued by a former player who played under bullshite supervision from way back when.
plenty of blame to go around.
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 12:28 am
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:31 am to LooseCannon22282
With as much advantage today's NFL gives the offense...
PI...should be like college.
Flipping the field on b.s. calls has somewhat ruined the joy of the game.
But while Swann wasn't nearly the receiver of his teammate. He did play in an era where defense reigned and the DBs could beat you up. Swann's stats have no bearing on Calvin Johnson's HOF worthiness...everyone should be judged only by their peers and by their era.
PI...should be like college.
Flipping the field on b.s. calls has somewhat ruined the joy of the game.
But while Swann wasn't nearly the receiver of his teammate. He did play in an era where defense reigned and the DBs could beat you up. Swann's stats have no bearing on Calvin Johnson's HOF worthiness...everyone should be judged only by their peers and by their era.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:41 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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He did play in an era where defense reigned and the DBs could beat you up.
but see... when the Mel Blount rule was administered I'm sure observers thought it was crap too.
why don't we go back and cherry pick against Dan Marino, Joe Montana, and John Elway for their efforts along the way too while we're at it?
no one is saying that today's game is perfect but I'm tired of old farts like Swann.
I mean he knows he isn't/wasn't as good as Megatron. Otherwise he wouldn't say dumb crap like that. He probably misses the times when he was a big deal.
and that.. I can sort of understand.
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 12:46 am
Posted on 2/11/16 at 1:36 am to LooseCannon22282
I watched them all.
And while the game today is soft and somewhat bullshite and can't touch this person can't touch that person...
Johnson was a far bigger threat than Swann ever was.
Swann became a media darling and had some highlites but if his team doesn't win SBs ever year - Swann is just another receiver,
But he is right about Johnson...in today's game...you have to do a hell of alot more to get in.
There's a backlog of receivers. It's pass happy bingo. And there's a waiting line.
And no receiver is getting in ala Gayle Sayers in today's game.
And while the game today is soft and somewhat bullshite and can't touch this person can't touch that person...
Johnson was a far bigger threat than Swann ever was.
Swann became a media darling and had some highlites but if his team doesn't win SBs ever year - Swann is just another receiver,
But he is right about Johnson...in today's game...you have to do a hell of alot more to get in.
There's a backlog of receivers. It's pass happy bingo. And there's a waiting line.
And no receiver is getting in ala Gayle Sayers in today's game.
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 1:38 am
Posted on 2/11/16 at 2:49 am to Bench McElroy
HA! What a total load of shite. Ok, Mr 1 time All Pro.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 6:15 am to CunningLinguist
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Well Lynn Swann should have never got in the HOF so he should know
I don't have a problem with either of them being in the HOF. Swan for 2 great SB performances. And Calvin for being badass and the greatest of HIS time for about two to three seasons. HE piled up some stats.
I DO have a problem with an old man being butt hurt because Calvin didn't leave his mind, ACL's, or spleen "on the field". Which, I think, is what this is. Calvin will stroll out rich, 30 years old, and probably into a studio job if he wants to try and can string 2 sentences together (never really seen him say much).
Posted on 2/11/16 at 8:24 am to Bench McElroy
Lynn was fortunate to play with a plethera of future HOF'ers. He needs to shut the frick up
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 2/11/16 at 8:49 am to LSU alum wannabe
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I DO have a problem with an old man being butt hurt because Calvin didn't leave his mind, ACL's, or spleen "on the field". Which, I think, is what this is. Calvin will stroll out rich, 30 years old, and probably into a studio job if he wants to try and can string 2 sentences together (never really seen him say much).
Good point and my biggest gripe with compilers.
I have a hard time knocking Megatron for refusing the hang around the league for another 3-4 years as a Top 10-15 guy and compiling stats. That doesn't make him a better all-time WR IMO.
If he played 4 more seasons with 80% of his average career production per season, he'd have the following #s:
81.6 RcYPG #1 All-time among retired players
113 RcTDs #6 All-time
15,750 RcYDs #3 All-time
990 Recptions #14 All-time
Considering his last past year was right at his career averages in nearly every category, a 20% decline in production over the next 4 years doesn't seem like much of a stretch, and those are absolutely elite #s despite being outside of the Top 10 on a seasonal basis.
I never try to act like I understand the HOF in any sport, but if Megatron doesn't get in, why the hell do we even have a HOF?
Posted on 2/11/16 at 9:54 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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And no receiver is getting in ala Gayle Sayers in today's game.
Probably not, although I personally believe Sterling Sharpe deserves consideration. Averaged about 85 catches, over 1100 yards before he got hurt.
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