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Posted on 10/30/21 at 7:22 pm to Avante
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Dumb idea, you want your fastest guys to be able to deal in straights not curves, simply common sense.
Except the top 2 teams on the list you posted have the 2nd fastest sprinter in history on 3rd leg both times.
And the tyson gay was usually on 3rd leg for the US.
And christian coleman was the leadoff leg for the American record team in Doha when he won the 100.
Your view is sophomoric. It applies to youth teams, HS, maybe some college teams, where there is such a huge difference between your fastest and slowest runners it makes sense.
At the elite level, everyone is extremely fast. Runners are placed on legs based on a variety of factors like how comfortable they are handling the baton in their right/left hand, stride patterns on the curves, ability to start out of the blocks, etc.
If the difference between bolt and runner2 on 2nd leg is less than the difference between bolt and runner3 on 3rd leg, it makes more sense to have bolt on 3rd leg. Your list below shows Jamaica applying this pretty consistently.
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Look at his splits on anchor vs that third leg split,see the difference?
You really think it’s surprising someone runs faster in a straight line than on a curve?
Posted on 10/30/21 at 7:34 pm to Open Your Eyes
When you have exceptional 200m cats like Blake and Gay they become the exceptions, and Coleman got ran down last time he ran anchor.
Justin Gatlin USA, Ato Boldin Trinidad, Andre DeGrasse Canada, Christophe LeMaitre France all the fastest on the team, all on that second leg.
Carl Lewis on a third leg, haha!!!!
Use your head why run your fastest cats on curves why not have them where they can unleash the most speed, yep...a straight. You said it yourself...yes less speed on a curve.
Best positions
First runner: A very good starter who will never get disqualified (especially with the new rule of no false starts) and who is very fast over the 60 to 80 metres. This athlete will now hand over the baton to the second athlete, as close to the back mark of 90 metres. Your team will then hand over the baton first.
Second runner: The fastest sprinter of the group, who takes over, 10 metres before the 300 metre, and hands over right at the end, 10 metres ahead of the 200 metre mark. The fastest runner will run 120 metres.
Third runner: The slowest athlete of the four athletes, who now receives the baton,
10 metres past the 200 metre mark and passes it 10 metres back (110 metres mark). The slowest athlete thus runs only 80 metres. It is not so easy to catch a flat out slower runner over 80 metres.
Last runner: The last runner receives the baton as close to the 110 metre mark as possible and must be the fighter in the team. If you have an athlete who does not want to lose and wants to run, he/she will let no one pass. Try and let your team lead at the 250 metre mark.
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You want to give your second and anchor a higher% of a 4x1 because they are the fastest legs. So handoff early and then late.
All-time men's best 200m
1 19.19 -0.3 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Berlin 20.08.2009
2 19.26 +0.7 Yohan Blake JAM 26.12.89 1 Bruxelles 16.09.2011*****************************************
3 19.30 -0.9 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Beijing 20.08.2008
4 19.32 +0.4 Michael Johnson USA 13.09.67 1 Atlanta 01.08.1996
4 19.32 +0.4 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 London 09.08.2012
6 19.40 +0.8 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Daegu 03.09.2011
7 19.44 +0.4 Yohan Blake JAM 26.12.89 2 London 09.08.2012
8 19.50 -0.1 Noah Lyles USA 18.07.97 1 Lausanne 05.07.2019
9 19.52 +1.5 Noah Lyles USA 18.07.97 1 Eugene 21.08.2021
10 19.53 +0.7 Walter Dix USA 31.01.86 2 Bruxelles 16.09.2011
11 19.54 ±0.0 Yohan Blake JAM 26.12.89 1 Bruxelles 07.09.2012
12 19.55 -0.1 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Beijing 27.08.2015
13 19.56 -0.8 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Kingston 01.05.2010
14 19.57 ±0.0 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Bruxelles 04.09.2009
14 19.57 +0.4 Justin Gatlin USA 10.02.82 1 Eugene 28.06.2015
16 19.58 +1.3 Tyson Gay USA 09.08.82 1 New York City 30.05.2009*****************************
Exceptional curves runners, not the norm
Justin Gatlin USA, Ato Boldin Trinidad, Andre DeGrasse Canada, Christophe LeMaitre France all the fastest on the team, all on that second leg.
Carl Lewis on a third leg, haha!!!!
Use your head why run your fastest cats on curves why not have them where they can unleash the most speed, yep...a straight. You said it yourself...yes less speed on a curve.
Best positions
First runner: A very good starter who will never get disqualified (especially with the new rule of no false starts) and who is very fast over the 60 to 80 metres. This athlete will now hand over the baton to the second athlete, as close to the back mark of 90 metres. Your team will then hand over the baton first.
Second runner: The fastest sprinter of the group, who takes over, 10 metres before the 300 metre, and hands over right at the end, 10 metres ahead of the 200 metre mark. The fastest runner will run 120 metres.
Third runner: The slowest athlete of the four athletes, who now receives the baton,
10 metres past the 200 metre mark and passes it 10 metres back (110 metres mark). The slowest athlete thus runs only 80 metres. It is not so easy to catch a flat out slower runner over 80 metres.
Last runner: The last runner receives the baton as close to the 110 metre mark as possible and must be the fighter in the team. If you have an athlete who does not want to lose and wants to run, he/she will let no one pass. Try and let your team lead at the 250 metre mark.
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You want to give your second and anchor a higher% of a 4x1 because they are the fastest legs. So handoff early and then late.
All-time men's best 200m
1 19.19 -0.3 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Berlin 20.08.2009
2 19.26 +0.7 Yohan Blake JAM 26.12.89 1 Bruxelles 16.09.2011*****************************************
3 19.30 -0.9 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Beijing 20.08.2008
4 19.32 +0.4 Michael Johnson USA 13.09.67 1 Atlanta 01.08.1996
4 19.32 +0.4 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 London 09.08.2012
6 19.40 +0.8 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Daegu 03.09.2011
7 19.44 +0.4 Yohan Blake JAM 26.12.89 2 London 09.08.2012
8 19.50 -0.1 Noah Lyles USA 18.07.97 1 Lausanne 05.07.2019
9 19.52 +1.5 Noah Lyles USA 18.07.97 1 Eugene 21.08.2021
10 19.53 +0.7 Walter Dix USA 31.01.86 2 Bruxelles 16.09.2011
11 19.54 ±0.0 Yohan Blake JAM 26.12.89 1 Bruxelles 07.09.2012
12 19.55 -0.1 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Beijing 27.08.2015
13 19.56 -0.8 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Kingston 01.05.2010
14 19.57 ±0.0 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Bruxelles 04.09.2009
14 19.57 +0.4 Justin Gatlin USA 10.02.82 1 Eugene 28.06.2015
16 19.58 +1.3 Tyson Gay USA 09.08.82 1 New York City 30.05.2009*****************************
Exceptional curves runners, not the norm
This post was edited on 10/30/21 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 10/30/21 at 8:29 pm to Avante
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When you have exceptional 200m cats like Blake
Name a more exceptional 200m runner than bolt. I’ll wait.
Noah lyles is the most exceptional 200m in the world for 3 years. You’ll never see him on 3rd leg.
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and Gay
Not an exceptional 200m runner. Hadnt even qualified for it at a major meet since 2009 when he ran on the 2012 Olympic 3rd leg
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and Coleman got ran down last time he ran anchor.
He wasn’t the fastest man in the world then. When he was the fastest man in the world, he leadoff.
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Justin Gatlin USA, Ato Boldin Trinidad, Andre DeGrasse Canada, Christophe LeMaitre France all the fastest on the team, all on that second leg.
Gatlin hasn’t been fastest on the US team in a number of years.
De Grasse has been anchor at every Olympics for Canada since he turned pro.
Vicaut is faster than lemaitre and has run leadoff and anchor for France.
China and Japan regularly place their fastest runners on 3rd leg.
Fraser-price just ran 3rd leg for Jamaica in the Olympics.
Bowie was 3rd leg for the gold medal US team in 2016.
Campbell-brown was the 3rd leg for Jamaica.
Asher-smith is 3rd leg for Great Britain.
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Carl Lewis on a third leg, haha!!!!
You just said all the best people ran 2nd. Lewis ran anchor.
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Use your head why run your fastest cats on curves why not have them where they can unleash the most speed,
I already explained why. You either didn’t read it or can’t understand it.
Posted on 10/30/21 at 9:06 pm to Open Your Eyes
First off...
2007 200m World Rankings
1..................................... Tyson Gay (US)
2............................ Usain Bolt (Jamaica)
3.................... Wallace Spearmon II (US)
4................................ Xavier Carter (US)
5.............................. Rodney Martin (US)
6.......... Jaysuma Saidy Ndure (Norway)
7............................LaShawn Merritt (US)
8..................................... Walter Dix (US)
9.......................... Shawn Crawford (US)
10.............. Marvin Anderson (Jamaica)
Gay a great 200m sprinter.
Justin Gatlin won the World 100m how long ago? Why does he always run that second leg?
DeGrasse started out at USC running that second leg and did the same for Canada at first.
Ato Boldon a second legger.
Bolt ran third leg twice, why?
Leroy Burrell second leg, WR holder.
The Asians are so slow they try whatever.
If we look at the top 100 4x1 times ever ran the vast majority have that teams two fastest sprinters on the straights, Google 4x1 relay running and there it is teling you what I am, sure there are exceptions just like everything else but on a relay give your studs a bigger chunk of the race.....THE STRAIGHTS~~~~~~~~
Actually read this...
Best positions
First runner: A very good starter who will never get disqualified (especially with the new rule of no false starts) and who is very fast over the 60 to 80 metres. This athlete will now hand over the baton to the second athlete, as close to the back mark of 90 metres. Your team will then hand over the baton first.
Second runner: The fastest sprinter of the group, who takes over, 10 metres before the 300 metre, and hands over right at the end, 10 metres ahead of the 200 metre mark. The fastest runner will run 120 metres.
Third runner: The slowest athlete of the four athletes, who now receives the baton,
10 metres past the 200 metre mark and passes it 10 metres back (110 metres mark). The slowest athlete thus runs only 80 metres. It is not so easy to catch a flat out slower runner over 80 metres.
Last runner: The last runner receives the baton as close to the 110 metre mark as possible and must be the fighter in the team. If you have an athlete who does not want to lose and wants to run, he/she will let no one pass. Try and let your team lead at the 250 metre mark.
2007 200m World Rankings
1..................................... Tyson Gay (US)
2............................ Usain Bolt (Jamaica)
3.................... Wallace Spearmon II (US)
4................................ Xavier Carter (US)
5.............................. Rodney Martin (US)
6.......... Jaysuma Saidy Ndure (Norway)
7............................LaShawn Merritt (US)
8..................................... Walter Dix (US)
9.......................... Shawn Crawford (US)
10.............. Marvin Anderson (Jamaica)
Gay a great 200m sprinter.
Justin Gatlin won the World 100m how long ago? Why does he always run that second leg?
DeGrasse started out at USC running that second leg and did the same for Canada at first.
Ato Boldon a second legger.
Bolt ran third leg twice, why?
Leroy Burrell second leg, WR holder.
The Asians are so slow they try whatever.
If we look at the top 100 4x1 times ever ran the vast majority have that teams two fastest sprinters on the straights, Google 4x1 relay running and there it is teling you what I am, sure there are exceptions just like everything else but on a relay give your studs a bigger chunk of the race.....THE STRAIGHTS~~~~~~~~
Actually read this...
Best positions
First runner: A very good starter who will never get disqualified (especially with the new rule of no false starts) and who is very fast over the 60 to 80 metres. This athlete will now hand over the baton to the second athlete, as close to the back mark of 90 metres. Your team will then hand over the baton first.
Second runner: The fastest sprinter of the group, who takes over, 10 metres before the 300 metre, and hands over right at the end, 10 metres ahead of the 200 metre mark. The fastest runner will run 120 metres.
Third runner: The slowest athlete of the four athletes, who now receives the baton,
10 metres past the 200 metre mark and passes it 10 metres back (110 metres mark). The slowest athlete thus runs only 80 metres. It is not so easy to catch a flat out slower runner over 80 metres.
Last runner: The last runner receives the baton as close to the 110 metre mark as possible and must be the fighter in the team. If you have an athlete who does not want to lose and wants to run, he/she will let no one pass. Try and let your team lead at the 250 metre mark.
This post was edited on 10/30/21 at 9:12 pm
Posted on 10/30/21 at 9:08 pm to WestCoastAg
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LSU is about to hire mel tucker
Posted on 10/30/21 at 9:09 pm to Avante
You idiot you put your strongest sprinter 2nd as it’s the longest leg not a fricking straight
Go away
Go away
Posted on 10/30/21 at 9:13 pm to sms151t
Dummy what am I talking about here, does your dumb arse even know?
Rookies, sheesh~~~~~
Rookies, sheesh~~~~~
This post was edited on 10/30/21 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 10/30/21 at 9:14 pm to Avante
You’re spouting about 4x1 claiming reason guys run 2. It’s not straights. You idiot. It’s because historically you put your strongest runner 2 since longest leg.
Now go the frick away you idiot.
Now go the frick away you idiot.
Posted on 10/30/21 at 9:15 pm to Avante
How do you feel about tennis?
Posted on 10/30/21 at 9:20 pm to Avante
Pay attention...
You will have 4 dudes one is a great 60 guy, he has a quick start...lead off
Youe stud ya want to run as much of the 4x1 he can so second leg, gets the stick early and hands off late in the next zone....120, if done right.
third leg a 200m cat used to dealing with that curve.
Anchor...can be your stud if not your second fastest.
You want the second/anchor doing most the work because they are your fastest. Yep.......common sense.
You will have 4 dudes one is a great 60 guy, he has a quick start...lead off
Youe stud ya want to run as much of the 4x1 he can so second leg, gets the stick early and hands off late in the next zone....120, if done right.
third leg a 200m cat used to dealing with that curve.
Anchor...can be your stud if not your second fastest.
You want the second/anchor doing most the work because they are your fastest. Yep.......common sense.
This post was edited on 10/30/21 at 9:28 pm
Posted on 10/30/21 at 9:24 pm to sms151t
Stupid HISTORICALLY it was your fastest always ran anchor, you have to be told that?
This...long second leg...thing not all old, but how would you know?
This...long second leg...thing not all old, but how would you know?
This post was edited on 10/30/21 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 10/30/21 at 9:30 pm to Avante
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First off... Gay a great 200m sprinter
“Hadnt even qualified for it at a major meet since 2009 when he ran on the 2012 Olympic 3rd leg”
You just used a list from 2007 to talk about a 2012 performance. Thank you for proving my point.
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Justin Gatlin won the World 100m how long ago?
2017.
“Gatlin hasn’t been fastest on the US team in a number of years.”
Thank you for proving my point, again.
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Why does he always run that second leg?
Because it’s the leg where he contributes the most to the overall team performance.
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DeGrasse started out at USC running that second leg
If you’re so desperate to prove your point you have to go back to what people used to do in college, you have no point.
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and did the same for Canada at first.
And after 2015 he’s literally always been their anchor. Canada has generally run the same 4some in the same order for many years.
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Ato Boldon a second legger.
Bolt never ran 2nd leg in a major meet.
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Leroy Burrell second leg, WR holder.
Carl Lewis anchor.
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The Asians are so slow they try whatever.
And this is where you cement the fact that you don’t actually know what you’re talking about and just copy/paste from some 4x1 for beginners website.
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If we look at the top 100 4x1 times ever ran the vast majority have that teams two fastest sprinters on the straights, Google 4x1 relay running and there it is teling you what I am, sure there are exceptions just like everything else but on a relay give your studs a bigger chunk of the race.....THE STRAIGHTS~~~~~~~~
You’ve already posted this list. 3/7 teams have 1 of their 2 best runners on 3rd leg. The top 3 teams ever run all have a top 2 runner on 3rd leg.
When are you going to address the fact that bolt never ran 2nd leg? Or all of those notable women that ran 3rd leg recently? Or why an “exceptional 200m runner” like lyles has never and will never be 3rd leg?
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Actually read this...
“... just copy/paste from some 4x1 for beginners website.”
Thank you for proving my point, again.
Posted on 10/30/21 at 9:41 pm to Open Your Eyes
Dude, Bolt never ran the second leg?
37.89 Jamaica 2 Osaka 01.09.2007
Marvin Anderson (10.60) 12.05.82 JAM
Usain Bolt (9.05) 21.08.86 JAM
Nesta Carter (9.40) 11.10.85 JAM
Asafa Powell (8.84) 23.11.82 JAM
He was tried on that second leg it didn't work, ok?
Are you telling me that no we don't see the vast majority of the fastest 4x1'a going with your two fastest sprinters on second and anchor, well?
So Bolt struggling on second leg is news to you?
When was Gatlin not one of the two fastest on the team?
Gay a great curve runner as was Blake so special treatment there.
Michael Johnson ran third leg at Baylor he was a great curve runner.
37.89 Jamaica 2 Osaka 01.09.2007
Marvin Anderson (10.60) 12.05.82 JAM
Usain Bolt (9.05) 21.08.86 JAM
Nesta Carter (9.40) 11.10.85 JAM
Asafa Powell (8.84) 23.11.82 JAM
He was tried on that second leg it didn't work, ok?
Are you telling me that no we don't see the vast majority of the fastest 4x1'a going with your two fastest sprinters on second and anchor, well?
So Bolt struggling on second leg is news to you?
When was Gatlin not one of the two fastest on the team?
Gay a great curve runner as was Blake so special treatment there.
Michael Johnson ran third leg at Baylor he was a great curve runner.
This post was edited on 10/30/21 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 10/30/21 at 9:52 pm to TackySweater
Here you are...
re: OK...just outta curiosity...who/what, was/is...this Crewz character? - TackySweater on 10/30/21 at 8:32 pm
Can you just go away? This isn’t funny or witty or cool at all. ...
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So you go around telling others what to do? Shut up, ok?
re: OK...just outta curiosity...who/what, was/is...this Crewz character? - TackySweater on 10/30/21 at 8:32 pm
Can you just go away? This isn’t funny or witty or cool at all. ...
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So you go around telling others what to do? Shut up, ok?
Posted on 10/30/21 at 9:55 pm to Avante
Because alters and trolls and attention whores are so ridiculously tired and annoying.
Posted on 10/30/21 at 10:02 pm to Avante
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Dude, Bolt never ran the second leg?
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Osaka 01.09.2007
You got me. Bolt ran 2nd leg once, when he had just turned 21 years old a week prior, and his PR was 10.03. This is even better than your ‘de grasse ran 2nd leg at usc’ patheticness.
In 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 bolt was either 3rd or 4th leg.
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He was tried on that second leg it didn't work, ok?
He had literally just turned 21 and hadnt broken out into stardom yet
Did your beginners websites not tell you this? quote:
Are you telling me that no we don't see the vast majority of the fastest 4x1'a going with your two fastest sprinters on second and anchor, well?
When are you going to answer this?
“3/7 teams have 1 of their 2 best runners on 3rd leg. The top 3 teams ever run all have a top 2 runner on 3rd leg.”
Or this?
“ Fraser-price just ran 3rd leg for Jamaica in the Olympics. Bowie was 3rd leg for the gold medal US team in 2016. Campbell-brown was the 3rd leg for Jamaica. Asher-smith is 3rd leg for Great Britain. ”
Or this?
“ Noah lyles is the most exceptional 200m in the world for 3 years. You’ll never see him on 3rd leg.”
Posted on 10/30/21 at 10:03 pm to TackySweater
So talking about an NCAA 4x1 is a no no here?
Posted on 10/30/21 at 10:10 pm to Avante
Starting 15 threads in a handful of days is just obnoxious. In addition to constant posts in said threads.
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