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tgrbaitn08
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re: LHSAA prep baseball playoffs
Our last game is Saturday

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LST
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re: LHSAA prep baseball playoffs
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I’ll admit it’s wrong if you can show me in the handbook what the formula is.

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tgrbaitn08
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re: LHSAA prep baseball playoffs
Interesting. Thanks. I stand corrected on the 50% of wins. It should be 100% of wins.

I’ll let the coach know right now.

I apologize

LST
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re: LHSAA prep baseball playoffs
To be fair, I think that the formula was changed recently so that may be where the confusion came from.

CypressTrout10
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re: LHSAA prep baseball playoffs
No problem man. Im a coach as well so I study this stuff every day and constantly do the math to play out scenario's.

Two years ago they did an experimental formula that was such trash they changed it before the season even ended.

tgrbaitn08
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re: LHSAA prep baseball playoffs
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Two years ago they did an experimental formula that was such trash they changed it before the season even ended.

That may be the soccer or softball's formula.....not sure.

Yeah, I guess since they've changed it every year over the past few years some guys are still using the old formula and relying on that and what LHSAA are posting

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Im a coach as well

I think I know where you coach..good luck!
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NorthEndZone
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re: LHSAA prep baseball playoffs
The biggest flaw I see in the current formula is not deducting points for playing down in class while adding points for playing up in class.

It is much easier to beat a 20-win class B or C team than it is to beat a 20-win 5A team. The current system gives you 40 points for both. A 5A team that beats a 20-win Class B team should only get 30 points.

If you load your schedule with several good smaller class teams, it can inflate your power ranking a bit.

Boudreaux35
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re: LHSAA prep baseball playoffs
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A 5A team that beats a 20-win Class B team should only get 30 points.

If you load your schedule with several good smaller class teams, it can inflate your power ranking a bit.

One of the inherent problems is that 5A schools CANNOT play up. If you start giving them less credit for wins vs lower classes, I believe they'll stop being so agreeable to play them. (just taking locals for example) Why would a team like Zachary or Catholic want to schedule a game or 2 against a team like Dunham, who has a decent shot at winning if they don't get full credit for a win.

I don't have an answer to correct that situation, but I do think it is a flaw in the system.

NorthEndZone
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re: LHSAA prep baseball playoffs
Good point about 5A teams risking power points for losing to lower class teams without the chance to gain more points by playing up in class.

I also think the winning percentage of the opponent should be applied, not just the number of wins. You should get more credit for beating a 20-6 W/L team than for beating a 20-12 W/L team.

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JJ27
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re: LHSAA prep baseball playoffs
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The biggest flaw I see in the current formula is not deducting points for playing down in class while adding points for playing up in class.

It is much easier to beat a 20-win class B or C team than it is to beat a 20-win 5A team. The current system gives you 40 points for both. A 5A team that beats a 20-win Class B team should only get 30 points.

If you load your schedule with several good smaller class teams, it can inflate your power ranking a bit.

Then you need to give 5A teams the added points when they play out of state teams in 6A/7A. 5A gets zero benefit from playing those teams. They only get the same points as if those teams were 5A.

NorthEndZone
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re: LHSAA prep baseball playoffs
Only if the 6A or 7A is really a much bigger school. Some states go from 1A to 7A instead of C to 5A like LA does. Still 7 classes either way.

chalmetteowl
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re: LHSAA prep baseball playoffs
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One of the inherent problems is that 5A schools CANNOT play up. If you start giving them less credit for wins vs lower classes, I believe they'll stop being so agreeable to play them. (just taking locals for example) Why would a team like Zachary or Catholic want to schedule a game or 2 against a team like Dunham, who has a decent shot at winning if they don't get full credit for a win.
if you're 5A, you don't give a flying f about your power rating relative to 4A schools. They're not your competition

Boudreaux35
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if you're 5A, you don't give a flying f about your power rating relative to 4A schools. They're not your competition

I'm not talking about comparing it to smaller schools, I'm talking about the benefit or possible cost for playing against them. If they have the choice of playing against a good smaller school and only benefiting half the points if they win and possibly losing a lot if they lose, is it a great idea to do so?

chalmetteowl
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If they have the choice of playing against a good smaller school and only benefiting half the points if they win and possibly losing a lot if they lose, is it a great idea to do so?
I know what you mean. Its the reason why NOLA is at a disadvantage in the power ratings. We don't have the good class 1A B and C schools for our 5A and 4A to rack up wins from.

chalmetteowl
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To encourage like classification schools to play each other, your power points should be increased or decreased by 5% per class difference.

For example, 5A with 20 wins vs. 3A with 10 wins, and the 5A school wins, the 5A school should get 90% of the 30 power points it would get now. The 3A school would get 110% of the 20 points it would get.

Maybe the 5% per class isn't enough. Maybe it could be 10%, and count 1A and B as the same class for these purposes, as well technically C schools who have to play up to 1A to have football

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tgrbaitn08
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re: LHSAA prep baseball playoffs
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We don't have the good class 1A B and C schools for our 5A and 4A to rack up wins from.

Well isn’t Country Day moving down to 1A next year? And St Charles Catholic moving down to 2A?

Isn’t St Martin usually pretty decent?

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damonster
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re: LHSAA prep baseball playoffs
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I know what you mean. Its the reason why NOLA is at a disadvantage in the power ratings. We don't have the good class 1A B and C schools for our 5A and 4A to rack up wins from.

Why would larger NOLA area teams want to play good lower class teams? For the most part the good teams play in the Catholic league. But then you also have larger schools across the lake and in the river parishes. Playing teams like that would definitely raise power rankings if you win. If you don’t win against teams like that then that’s a pretty good measurement of how good your team is. You shouldn’t be rewarded the same for playing lower class teams.

Pedro
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re: LHSAA prep baseball playoffs
Kansas goes 1-6A

All classes have 11 man football. No distinction between classes other than size.

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chalmetteowl
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You shouldn’t be rewarded the same for playing lower class teams
the current system does so however. NOLA is unique in that we have four 5A districts within driving distance of each other, so we have more 5A vs. 5A matchups.

choupiquesushi
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re: LHSAA prep baseball playoffs
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You shouldn’t be rewarded the same for playing lower class teams
the current system does so however. NOLA is unique in that we have four 5A districts within driving distance of each other, so we have more 5A vs. 5A matchups.

what public 5a from NO has made it to sulphur?