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re: LHSAA meetings....looks like more trouble on the horizon.
Posted on 12/15/12 at 5:07 pm to CourseyCorridor
Posted on 12/15/12 at 5:07 pm to CourseyCorridor
You're a pussy for wanting to run from competition. Yet you want to declare a champion.
What kind of crap is that?
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the publics DO NOT want you. Do you not understand that? why can't you just walk away, no need to keep stalking.
What kind of crap is that?
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the publics DO NOT want you. Do you not understand that? why can't you just walk away, no need to keep stalking.
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Posted on 12/15/12 at 6:01 pm to supatigah
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The privates would split into divisions
But since there would be so few of them, the divisions would have to encompass a wide range of enrollments, correct?
What I heard is that the current 3A-5A privates would all be in the same division. This would put mid-sized privates like St. Louis, Notre Dame, St. Charles, St. Michael, Teurlings Catholic, ED White, and Vandy Catholic in with Rummel, Jesuit, St. Aug, Catholic-BR, etc.
We're talking 500-600 students vs. 1500 students here.
Posted on 12/15/12 at 6:11 pm to RidiculousHype
which if they all recruited the best athletes available, enrollment doesn't mean anything to a select school
Posted on 12/15/12 at 6:24 pm to chalmetteowl
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which if they all recruited the best athletes available, enrollment doesn't mean anything to a select school
True, but in practical terms it won't even be close. There's a reason why a private school like St. Louis can have a bigger enrollment than John Curtis but can't compete with them on the football field. And the reason is that the private schools' administrations have wide-ranging policies on student-athlete recruitment.
Put simply, the mid-sized privates not named "Curtis" or "Evangel" do not recruit the best athletes available.
Posted on 12/15/12 at 7:42 pm to lsufan112001
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the publics DO NOT want you. Do you not understand that? why can't you just walk away, no need to keep stalking.
They may not want us, but they need our rich money.
Posted on 12/15/12 at 7:51 pm to lsufan112001
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You're a pussy for wanting to run from competition. Yet you want to declare a champion.
What kind of crap is that?
Are you criticizing me, or are you just commenting? I don't get the point.
I do agree that Curtis and Evangel are doing something unlike what anybody else in the state's doing and I don't mean that in a good way. It's problematic when football is at the core of the creation of your school and you're competing with schools where football is fitting into the bigger picture of the school's mission. This is true of every other school in the association.
For example, if U-High keeps recruiting good players and becomes a power, one might argue that U-High got away from its core values and "sold out" to football. You can never say that about Evangel or Curtis because football was a big part of the creation of the schools. I can see Mahaffey getting put in his place by some U-High administrator at some point -- not saying it's going to happen or if there's any reason for me to think it'll happen -- but these things will NEVER happen at Curtis or Evangel. The administration and the football staff are basically one and the same.
Curtis is almost like IMG Academy, but just for football.
So it is a problem trying to figure out how those two schools fit in. They aren't like other schools in their core mission.
Posted on 12/15/12 at 7:55 pm to RidiculousHype
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True, but in practical terms it won't even be close. There's a reason why a private school like St. Louis can have a bigger enrollment than John Curtis but can't compete with them on the football field. And the reason is that the private schools' administrations have wide-ranging policies on student-athlete recruitment.
St. Louis is a school with a football team. John Curtis is a football organization with a school.
Seriously. Not joking here. For Evangel, football was a big reason for the school's creation. For Curtis, it wasn't necessarily created for football but became a reason for the school to have a market to the point where it became primarily about football.
Posted on 12/15/12 at 10:17 pm to RidiculousHype
The talk I have heard for a private association is three divisions for all sports, open to any public school that wants to join (that is voted in), with a addendum that certain schools would be forced to play in the upper division for football by popular vote.
So evangel would be division one in football and division three in all sports. Curtis would be division one in football and division two in all other sports.
Something like:
Division three is 0-250, Division two is 251-650 and Division one is 650 and up and them the schools around the cutoff would be shifted around to try to even things out
So evangel would be division one in football and division three in all sports. Curtis would be division one in football and division two in all other sports.
Something like:
Division three is 0-250, Division two is 251-650 and Division one is 650 and up and them the schools around the cutoff would be shifted around to try to even things out
Posted on 12/15/12 at 10:18 pm to peopleschamp
To me, it would kill public schools in Louisiana.
Louisiana has a ton of kids in private schools. I'd venture to guess that if you had to rank state's by percentage of school-age children attending private schools, Louisiana would be at, or near, the top.
That's a huge chunk of the association and a huge source of funding for the organization. Also, breaking them away won't mean better athletes will leave them like in Texas where most top athletes attend well-funded public schools. Just the opposite will happen. If the better competition is in the private schools, better athletes will further gravitate away from the public schools to where the competition is in the private schools.
It would be a case of cutting off the nose to spite the face.
Having said that, something has to be done with the Curtis/Evangel problem. I don't think JT or Denny Duron or Booty are sinister, there's just a problem with sports factories like that.
Louisiana has a ton of kids in private schools. I'd venture to guess that if you had to rank state's by percentage of school-age children attending private schools, Louisiana would be at, or near, the top.
That's a huge chunk of the association and a huge source of funding for the organization. Also, breaking them away won't mean better athletes will leave them like in Texas where most top athletes attend well-funded public schools. Just the opposite will happen. If the better competition is in the private schools, better athletes will further gravitate away from the public schools to where the competition is in the private schools.
It would be a case of cutting off the nose to spite the face.
Having said that, something has to be done with the Curtis/Evangel problem. I don't think JT or Denny Duron or Booty are sinister, there's just a problem with sports factories like that.
Posted on 12/15/12 at 10:24 pm to CourseyCorridor
The LHSAA is a private entity. They can vote Curtis and Evangel out if they want to
The easiest thing is regulate athletic contact time. There used to be firm rules about organized contact with coaches, especially in the offseason. To combat kids dropping out they relaxed those rules to keep at risk kids in organized activities. It worked but now athletics never ends and at some schools athletics dominates the school day too.
ETA: also the LHSAA investigation division is woefully understaffed and largely ineffective. If they really want to tighten things up they can hire retired coaches to investigate allegations. However this costs money and it might effect the LHSAA's bottom line. Their "nonprofit" status is a running joke. The organization may be non profit but the admin that run it are profiting nicely in the personal finances. Notice nothing ever happened with Tommy Henry's profligate spending and fake expenses. They didn't want any more attention brought to the LHSAA finances so they dropped it and the whole thing slipped away.......
Principals have to file formal complaints for an investigation and they typically don't want to turn someone else in and invite scrutiny to their own housekeeping.
The easiest thing is regulate athletic contact time. There used to be firm rules about organized contact with coaches, especially in the offseason. To combat kids dropping out they relaxed those rules to keep at risk kids in organized activities. It worked but now athletics never ends and at some schools athletics dominates the school day too.
ETA: also the LHSAA investigation division is woefully understaffed and largely ineffective. If they really want to tighten things up they can hire retired coaches to investigate allegations. However this costs money and it might effect the LHSAA's bottom line. Their "nonprofit" status is a running joke. The organization may be non profit but the admin that run it are profiting nicely in the personal finances. Notice nothing ever happened with Tommy Henry's profligate spending and fake expenses. They didn't want any more attention brought to the LHSAA finances so they dropped it and the whole thing slipped away.......
Principals have to file formal complaints for an investigation and they typically don't want to turn someone else in and invite scrutiny to their own housekeeping.
This post was edited on 12/15/12 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 12/16/12 at 8:08 am to JJ27
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Evangel is the only private school to beat WM that I can remember
Really short memory:
Calvary Baptist 40 West Monroe 29
Posted on 12/16/12 at 8:19 am to CourseyCorridor
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For example, if U-High keeps recruiting good players and becomes a power, one might argue that U-High got away from its core values and "sold out" to football. You can never say that about Evangel or Curtis because football was a big part of the creation of the schools. I can see Mahaffey getting put in his place by some U-High administrator at some point -- not saying it's going to happen or if there's any reason for me to think it'll happen -- but these things will NEVER happen at Curtis or Evangel. The administration and the football staff are basically one and the same.
The more likely scenario is what happened to Redemporist. They were a football factory, raising huge sums of money on the backs of their athletic program and recruiting well enough to win state championships. The death spiral started when the parents that were ponying up the money realized their little Johnny was riding the pine while the recruits got all the PT, little Johnny quits and takes mommy and daddy's money with him, same parents quit putting in the time for other fund-raising, and scholarship money starts to dry up. Repeat until enrollment drops, add several good breakaway school districts in Zachary and Central, and change administration to an academic that says no more scholarships. You go from being competitive in 4A to a 1A school within a decade. That, and the rise in prominence of the Ascension Parish schools, coupled with the sorry economy and rising tuition at the Dunhams and Episcopals of the world make growth at private schools, at least in Baton Rouge, pretty difficult.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 8:47 am to supatigah
I can't remember if you mentioned it earlier in the thread, but if LHSAA makes this decision, why would the private schools continue to be members of the LHSAA? Is it just that they have the infrastructure (corrupt as it may be) already in place?
Posted on 12/16/12 at 8:48 am to Icansee4miles
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Redemporist.
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hange administration to an academic that says no more scholarships. You go from being competitive in 4A to a 1A school within a decade.
Correct. This should be a lesson to all schools, both private and public, about the importance of a strong athletic program as a supplement to a strong academic program.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 8:50 am to SCTmo
If I cut off your arm or you do it yourself, does it really matter? You still only have 1 arm at the end of the day. Point being, if the private schools left the LHSAA, what's the difference? They would still be separated from the public schools.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 8:57 am to JJ27
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Point being, if the private schools left the LHSAA, what's the difference? They would still be separated from the public schools.
Mutually assured destruction maybe?
I honestly don't know what the economic impact to the LHSAA as an organization would be without private school involvement. What's the source of money for the LHSAA (membership fees, state tournaments, what else?). So I'm mostly interested in whether the loss of all private schools (or more appropriately the threat of the loss of all private schools) would prove to stymie the split.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 9:03 am to SCTmo
they'd still have a lot of members spread across the whole state
Posted on 12/16/12 at 9:10 am to chalmetteowl
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they'd still have a lot of members spread across the whole state
That doesn't really answer the question, though. Of course there would still be a number of school members, I'm just trying to find out what the public/private breakdown is and what are the LHSAA's primary revenue sources.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 9:36 am to SCTmo
using the new classifications for next year
5A- 55 public, 13 nonpublic
4A- 52 public, 8 nonpublic
3A- 49 public, 11 nonpublic
2A- 47 public, 17 nonpublic
1A- 32 public, 25 nonpublic
B- 32 public, 4 nonpublic
C- 25 public, 12 nonpublic
total 292 public, 90 nonpublic
5A- 55 public, 13 nonpublic
4A- 52 public, 8 nonpublic
3A- 49 public, 11 nonpublic
2A- 47 public, 17 nonpublic
1A- 32 public, 25 nonpublic
B- 32 public, 4 nonpublic
C- 25 public, 12 nonpublic
total 292 public, 90 nonpublic
This post was edited on 12/16/12 at 9:39 am
Posted on 12/16/12 at 9:39 am to chalmetteowl
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5A- 55 public, 13 nonpublic
4A- 52 public, 8 nonpublic
3A- 49 public, 11 nonpublic
2A- 47 public, 17 nonpublic
1A- 32 public, 25 nonpublic
B- 32 public, 4 nonpublic
C- 25 public, 12 nonpublic
Where'd you find it? I did a little poking around on their website but didn't see a breakdown.
ETA: Shocked about the B & C numbers. Always thought there were a larger number of small, private schools in those classes.
This post was edited on 12/16/12 at 9:41 am
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