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re: Lettuce discuss Dyson Daniels

Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:15 pm to
Posted by diddlydawg7
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Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:15 pm to
Posted by TackySweater
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Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:16 pm to
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RA

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Posted by Splackavellie
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Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:18 pm to
The new Man of Steal
Posted by Corinthians420
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 5:19 am to
Pretty impressive. Hopefully pels can draft another solid play like him ans Murphy this year
Posted by VA LSU fan
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 6:34 am to
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How many steals at home vs on the road?


The old MJ DOOY trick where every steal went to MJ.
Posted by htran90
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 7:22 am to
He's so good defensively, what shitty coach and gm couldn't figure out how to have 2 1st team defense guys on the court at the same time...

Oh wait.

The pelicans.

Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 8:58 am to
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Literally nobody outside of a portion of the Pelicans fanbase thinks ATL lost that trade


LITERALLY you're wrong. Literally the top google results...

CBS

Fansided
Posted by diddlydawg7
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 9:31 am to
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LITERALLY you're wrong. Literally the top google results..


Those grades are from before this season, retard

Survey everyone now and it will be a different story
This post was edited on 3/19/25 at 9:33 am
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 9:49 am to
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Those grades are from before this season, retard


No shite Of course the trade is going to be better for ATL when you grade it after a guy tears his achilles.
Posted by diddlydawg7
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 11:13 am to
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No shite Of course the trade is going to be better for ATL when you grade it after a guy tears his achilles.


I think it has way more to do with Dyson going from being considered a bust to one of the best defensive players in the NBA, while also significantly improving his offense in terms of both totals and percentages, while still only being 21 years old.

If you asked people going into next season if you’d rather have:

- 29 year old Dejounte Murray at $30M/yr

OR

- 22 year old Dyson Daniels at $6M/yr
+ 1st round pick
+ 1st round pick

Nearly every team is picking the latter
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 11:54 am to
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I think it has way more to do with Dyson going from being considered a bust to one of the best defensive players in the NBA, while also significantly improving his offense in terms of both totals and percentages, while still only being 21 years old.


His offense improvement has been minimal. He's simply getting more volume so his ppg looks nice. His 3pt% is down and If you look at his per 36 his rebounding and assists are down.

Not saying any of that to knock him because I was a Dyson fan simply based on how great he was on defense and he was one of the youngest players in the NBA so his offensive struggles could be forgiven.

But it made sense from a Pels perspective because 1) you needed scoring 2) you were in what you thought was a win now situation 3) you already had a guy in Herb Jones that was a lock down defender with little offense 4) a better fit with Zion.

It made sense for the Pels. I hated to see Dyson go but I was ok with the trade because with a healthy roster, DM is the better fit.

quote:

- 29 year old Dejounte Murray at $30M/yr

OR

- 22 year old Dyson Daniels at $6M/yr
+ 1st round pick
+ 1st round pick

Nearly every team is picking the latter


Like I say, I was judging it on when the trade happened. That's really the only fair way to base a trade. If GM's could read the future and predict injuries so i can't blame Griff for that. Plenty of media outlets thought it was a good trade for the Pels, not just a select portion of Pels fans.

Hopefully DM can return fro his injury and not be a shell of himself, it will sting pretty bad if he can't.

But the Hawks are going to have to pay Dyson a lot now so contract wise it will probably be a wash.

But something not considered is Dyson 10000000% would not have fully developed in New Orleans. The idiot coach just wouldn't have been able to develop him so there is very little reason to look back at the trade with regret because Dyson would be getting about 23 minutes a game and probably numerous nights where he'd be buried on the bench in favor of Brandon Boston. Cursed franchise.
Posted by diddlydawg7
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 12:10 pm to
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His offense improvement has been minimal. He's simply getting more volume so his ppg looks nice. His 3pt% is down and If you look at his per 36 his rebounding and assists are down.


I think you are confused, nearly everything you just said is wrong

FG went from 45% -> 49%
3-PT FG went from 31% -> 35%
AST/36 went from 4.3 -> 4.5

That is extremely significant improvement for a player over just one season.

Typically taking more shots = decreased percentage, but that’s not the case at all here, which is actually extremely rare.

He’s nearly doubled his attempts per game while seeing a 4% increase in shooting percentages. You will be hard pressed to find many NBA guards who have had similar jumps over one year.

So in conclusion, to say that his offensive improvement has been minimal is absolutely insane, and completely wrong.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 12:41 pm to
Whoops, meant FT%, not 3PT. I knew his 3PT was up, which was a nice improvement. His AST was down when I checked earlier in the season so I guess that's bumped back up.

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So in conclusion, to say that his offensive improvement has been minimal is absolutely insane, and completely wrong.


Thank you for the thesis
This post was edited on 3/19/25 at 12:45 pm
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
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Posted on 3/28/25 at 7:55 am to
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Trae Young


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sucks

Does he now?

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Posted by diddlydawg7
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Posted on 4/13/25 at 12:39 pm to
Dyson Daniels officially finishes with 229 steals, the most of any player since Gary Payton in 1995-96

His 3.1 steals per game is the most by any player since John Stockton in 1988-89
Posted by TackySweater
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Posted on 4/13/25 at 1:02 pm to
Pels lulz
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