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re: Let's talk about Tom Brady's last 8 playoff losses
Posted on 2/4/14 at 12:28 pm to SettleDown
Posted on 2/4/14 at 12:28 pm to SettleDown
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Bottom line. They are both QBs but Manning has a substantially higher likelihood of completely imploding.
To INVERSE those stats...Manning's highs are higher and he's much more like to CARRY a team than Brady.
Which has been my point all along.
Manning and Belichick together would have wrecked shop on the NFL. Anyone who disagrees with that is in obvious denial.
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Posted on 2/4/14 at 12:29 pm to SettleDown
the way it shakes out is that if brady doesn't have a good game, his team sinks in the postseason.
Manning can put up a 39.6 rating and still win a super bowl.
Manning can put up a 39.6 rating and still win a super bowl.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 12:29 pm to DelU249
quote:During his title run, Manning threw 3TDs and 7INTs.
So, if you still contend that brady was carried his titles then it must be very upsetting to learn that Manning was certainly carried to his only one.
People can argue if he was carried or not, but he damned sure didn't do the heavy lifting!!!
Posted on 2/4/14 at 12:31 pm to DelU249
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So, if you still contend that brady was carried his titles then it must be very upsetting to learn that Manning was certainly carried to his only one.
So you have gotten so confused you are now arguing my point.
TEAMS have to win SBs. Brady had better TEAMS and coaching throughout his career.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 12:32 pm to theunknownknight
quote:Hard to carry a team when you implode your way out of the playoffs.
To INVERSE those stats...Manning's highs are higher and he's much more like to CARRY a team than Brady.
And, of course, when they finally DID win it all, he was 3TDs, 7INTs along the way.
Real "carrying" there!
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Manning and Belichick together would have wrecked shop on the NFL. Anyone who disagrees with that is in obvious denial.
Is Bellichick somehow able to stop a guy from suddenly wrapping his hands around his throat and playing WAY beneath his own abilities?
He hasn't been able to do it when Brady has fallen off. Why would he be able to do it with a guy who makes Brady's off games look damned servicable?
Posted on 2/4/14 at 12:33 pm to theunknownknight
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yes, and his lows are much much lower
you can carry a team and not put up crazy numbers. The broncos didn't need manning to throw 5 TDs a game to win the two playoff games this year.
as far as the first quote, same here.
obviously, and manning would probably still have the same amount of titles, because NE's D wasn't winning any playoff games with a 35 qb rating,
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Manning's highs are higher
yes, and his lows are much much lower
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and he's much more like to CARRY a team than Brady
you can carry a team and not put up crazy numbers. The broncos didn't need manning to throw 5 TDs a game to win the two playoff games this year.
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Which has been my point all along.
as far as the first quote, same here.
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Manning and Belichick together would have wrecked shop on the NFL
obviously, and manning would probably still have the same amount of titles, because NE's D wasn't winning any playoff games with a 35 qb rating,
Posted on 2/4/14 at 12:34 pm to theunknownknight
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.Manning's highs are higher and he's much more like to CARRY a team than Brady.
Are you retarded? When has Manning ever carried a team to a SB victory? Never!
The funny thing about all of ya'll arguments are, if TB wins another one he will the considered the all time greatest.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 12:34 pm to DelU249
Somehow I have you all agreeing with me and you can't even see it 
Posted on 2/4/14 at 12:36 pm to SettleDown
Has Manning ever not had a 1st round pick @Running Back?
Faulk/James/Addai/Brown/Moreno
Faulk/James/Addai/Brown/Moreno
Posted on 2/4/14 at 12:36 pm to SettleDown
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Is Bellichick somehow able to stop a guy from suddenly wrapping his hands around his throat and playing WAY beneath his own abilities?
This is the bottom line problem with Manning.
Is he great? Yep. Overall, I'd say he's the best QB to play the game. If all situations were equal, there would be no discussion.
Alas, Manning to me is the equivalent of a Major League pitcher having a 15 year career ERA sub 1.0 but somehow, having a career ERA in the World Series of 4.0 with several complete blowouts.
You simply can't ignore that for whatever reason, that pitcher can't bring his A game with the required consistency in such situations.
Football is harder to measure on that, but we know that such a mental block is reality in sports. Baseball is littered with hitters who hit much worse with guys on base as well as other hitters who, for whatever reason, hit better with guys on base.
Manning hits damned well with no-one in scoring position, 1 out snd his team having a 3 run lead.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 12:36 pm to theunknownknight
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TEAMS have to win SBs
duh, I've never argued otherwise. Though Brady has actually been the catalyst for a championship where manning has not.
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Brady had better TEAMS
they were better teams in the postseason because they had brady instead of manning. again, indy had some incredibly stout teams in all 3 phases in mannings time there, manning just pissed away the game
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and coaching throughout his career
so manning must have the greatest coach in NFL history to stop putting up massive duds in the playoffs, yes I would say that is probably the only thing that could stop the annual manning derp.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 12:37 pm to hikingfan
I think this whole debate is silly. Manning is one of the greatest ever. So is Brady.
I'm sure it has been mentioned but Brady has not won a Super Bowl since Spygate and since Charlie Weis left as OC.
I'm sure it has been mentioned but Brady has not won a Super Bowl since Spygate and since Charlie Weis left as OC.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 12:40 pm to theunknownknight
we really haven't been disagreeing on much which is why I keep asking you wtf your argument is.
My only contention in this thread is that manning has played with better talent, yet that is not why he is the better qb, and that brady plays consistently in the playoffs while manning is decidedly not.
My only contention in this thread is that manning has played with better talent, yet that is not why he is the better qb, and that brady plays consistently in the playoffs while manning is decidedly not.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 12:41 pm to bayoujd
Bottom line after his whole career is simple. If I'm a coach of a team in the playoffs and I simply need my QB to play decent and not completely go awol on me, if Manning is my QB I'm conflicted. I know I've got a guy capable of being better than anyone who has played the game.
And. I know I've got a guy who is capable of suddenly turning inexplicably into Trent Dilfer. It has happened too many times over too many years to ignore that reality.
And. I know I've got a guy who is capable of suddenly turning inexplicably into Trent Dilfer. It has happened too many times over too many years to ignore that reality.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 12:41 pm to bayoujd
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Spygate
why don't you check out when that was made illegal...and
if you think that is why they won championships. bigger if you think they were the only ones doing itPosted on 2/4/14 at 12:42 pm to SettleDown
quote:Down 21-3 with 3 minutes in the half in the AFC Championship game, Manning then completed 19 passes for 280 yards, 1 passing touchdown, 1 rushing touchdown, and six total scoring drives in eight tries.
People can argue if he was carried or not, but he damned sure didn't do the heavy lifting!!!
The Colts scored 35 points in 32 minutes vs. the Patriots. Sure, no heavy lifting.
This post was edited on 2/4/14 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 2/4/14 at 12:48 pm to ballscaster
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Down 21-3 with 3 minutes in the half in the AFC Championship game, Manning then completed 19 passes for 280 yards, 1 passing touchdown, 1 rushing touchdown, and six total scoring drives in eight tries.
The Colts scored 35 points in 32 minutes vs. the Patriots. Sure, no heavy lifting
In the other two games leading to the SB, he had 1TD and 5INTs.
So. In his BEST run EVER, he had two games of "meh" and had to come from behind partly cause HE stunk it up early in the other game.
Did he have a great game after that? Yep. I mean, no one says he is a bad QB. He's just prone to going awol.
Bottom line. If you're saying he did the heavy lifting for that playoff RUN, you're goddamned insane.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 12:50 pm to ballscaster
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Down 21-3
so, you think brady in 2004 was carried to a title by his defense and Manning in 2006 was not? yay or nay
because if not for mannings defense bailing him out of an all time stinker performance against baltimore, they're not even in that game.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 12:52 pm to DelU249
quote:Ding ding ding.
because if not for mannings defense bailing him out of an all time stinker performance against baltimore, they're not even in that game.
The year he wont it all, he actually did what he always has done. He f'n imploded. He just got away with it that year.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 12:54 pm to SettleDown
quote:You said he didn't do any of the heavy lifting. You were wrong.
In the other two games leading to the SB, he had 1TD and 5INTs.
So. In his BEST run EVER, he had two games of "meh" and had to come from behind partly cause HE stunk it up early in the other game.
Did he have a great game after that? Yep. I mean, no one says he is a bad QB. He's just prone to going awol.
Bottom line. If you're saying he did the heavy lifting for that playoff RUN, you're goddamned insane.
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