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re: Lets talk about americas lack of interest in soccer
Posted on 5/29/13 at 8:28 am to Jcorye1
Posted on 5/29/13 at 8:28 am to Jcorye1
yeah i can see LAX doing that. it combines a lot of things that "work" in sports
to build a truly elite American soccer national team, we'd have to completely change how our youth play soccer, which would likely inadvertently kill interest in youth soccer
to build a truly elite American soccer national team, we'd have to completely change how our youth play soccer, which would likely inadvertently kill interest in youth soccer
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 8:29 am to aaronb023
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there's too much flopping in soccer
Have you ever watched a NBA game?
Posted on 5/29/13 at 8:31 am to colston12
don't kid yourself. with the new NFL/college rules, "flopping" is coming to football soon
Posted on 5/29/13 at 8:31 am to TbirdSpur2010
Apologies if this has been touched on already (haven't read the entire thread), but to continue the train of thought of the poster who credited soccer's lack of popularity among Americans to the sport's failing to give the audience immediate reason to cheer, I believe the "problem" (if you can call it that) boils down to one word: defense.
Soccer is a very defense-friendly game, so a slightly greater degree than most other major sports. As a fan of defensive American football, I can totally see where people who can appreciate the merits of a 0-0 soccer tie are coming from. I was enthralled by the 9-6 Bama/LSU game in '11 and A&M's 9-6 win over Nebraska in 2010 is my all time favorite game to have witnessed firsthand.
But most casual fans labeled that Bama/LSU game "boring." Why? Defense isn't celebrated in this country. It's the necessary killjoy to the scoring (objective acheivement) most Americans watch the game for. Same goes for basketball. How did my beloved San Antonio Spurs get labeled "boring" over a decade ago? For playing defensive basketball and limiting the number of points put up on the board by either team.
I don't think soccer will be anything other than a niche sport (albeit a large niche) in this country as long as Americans' prevailing attitude toward defense in general changes.
Soccer is a very defense-friendly game, so a slightly greater degree than most other major sports. As a fan of defensive American football, I can totally see where people who can appreciate the merits of a 0-0 soccer tie are coming from. I was enthralled by the 9-6 Bama/LSU game in '11 and A&M's 9-6 win over Nebraska in 2010 is my all time favorite game to have witnessed firsthand.
But most casual fans labeled that Bama/LSU game "boring." Why? Defense isn't celebrated in this country. It's the necessary killjoy to the scoring (objective acheivement) most Americans watch the game for. Same goes for basketball. How did my beloved San Antonio Spurs get labeled "boring" over a decade ago? For playing defensive basketball and limiting the number of points put up on the board by either team.
I don't think soccer will be anything other than a niche sport (albeit a large niche) in this country as long as Americans' prevailing attitude toward defense in general changes.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 8:31 am to WestCoastAg
I'd group soccer with hockey, tennis and any women's sport.
They all suck.
They all suck.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 8:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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to build a truly elite American soccer national team, we'd have to completely change how our youth play soccer, which would likely inadvertently kill interest in youth soccer
Agreed. I played for around 6-7 years, and I will only watch Premier/Champions League, and I rarely do that. My biggest issue is I only have time for so many sports, and hockey really pushed out soccer for my borderline even care zone.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 8:34 am to Jcorye1
move this shite to the ticket exchange
Posted on 5/29/13 at 8:34 am to TbirdSpur2010
americans do love to criticize modern versions of sports based on lack of defense, but they stop watching if the sports get too defensive. the NBA had this happen to them a decade ago. hockey had problems with this (but i'm ignorant to the details of what the defensive strategies were and how they were corrected). HW boxing has a major problem with this. football had a problem with this and changed the DB rules
Posted on 5/29/13 at 8:37 am to SlowFlowPro
Oh, there's a shite ton of flopping in american football. Flopping happens in baseball too every once in a while (players feigning getting hit by pitches).
Until refs start getting better at determining what is a flop and what isn't, and penalizing actual flops, it's only going to get worse.
The flopping argument against soccer is completely debunked by the atrocious flopping in basketball tho.
Until refs start getting better at determining what is a flop and what isn't, and penalizing actual flops, it's only going to get worse.
The flopping argument against soccer is completely debunked by the atrocious flopping in basketball tho.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 8:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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americans do love to criticize modern versions of sports based on lack of defense, but they stop watching if the sports get too defensive.
Precisely
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the NBA had this happen to them a decade ago. hockey had problems with this (but i'm ignorant to the details of what the defensive strategies were and how they were corrected). HW boxing has a major problem with this. football had a problem with this and changed the DB rules
The majority of major rule changes in the major american sports have been made either in the name of safety or limiting the effectiveness of the defense.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 8:39 am to colston12
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The flopping argument against soccer is completely debunked by the atrocious flopping in basketball tho.
soon, bro...soon
every hit over the middle will end up resulting in players flailing about and acting dead to get that extra 15 and a first
you do see some overacting by QBs pretty regularly now. tom brady went to the tim duncan school
Posted on 5/29/13 at 8:39 am to colston12
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The flopping argument against soccer is completely debunked by the atrocious flopping in basketball tho.
Basketball and soccer harbor the most egregious floppers in sport, bar none.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 8:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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you do see some overacting by QBs pretty regularly now. tom brady went to the tim duncan school
Duncan never really had a reputation as a flopper, tbh. Not saying he never does it, but that's not a huge part of his game.
Blake Griffin, on the other hand.......
Posted on 5/29/13 at 8:42 am to TbirdSpur2010
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Duncan never really had a reputation as a flopper,
no he's not a "flopper" but he is an overactor and whiner, which is the same thing
flopping is just a new version of that
i'm not criticizing duncan. if the refs create an incentive, players will adapt
Posted on 5/29/13 at 8:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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no he's not a "flopper" but he is an overactor and whiner, which is the same thing
Unfortunately, I think you described 97% of the NBA
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if the refs create an incentive, players will adapt
yup.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 8:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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hockey had problems with this (but i'm ignorantto thedetailsof what the defensive strategieswereand how they were corrected).
I didn't become a hockey fan till around 08ish, but I think before 04, the refs just weren't calling penalties. They would let defenders hold, hook, etc. and rarely be penalized for it. They also added a few rules, like the trapezoid, that were designed to speed the game up. Once refs really started calling penalties, it really opened the game up. Players had more room to move and could do so faster. It's probably why Lidstrom is considered to be such a good defender. He was never that physical, but he was always in the right position and was great with his stick.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 8:47 am to TbirdSpur2010
also, basketball and soccer are kind of unique in that they can take a player out of a game, which is a HUGE advantage to a team. hell in soccer a red will have your team playing a man down. the potential reward is high
but if you can get an early yellow out of a defender, you can really change a game
but if you can get an early yellow out of a defender, you can really change a game
Posted on 5/29/13 at 8:48 am to pvilleguru
that sounds like the NBA and "hand checking" that led to super D/iso O in the 90s
i think the thing i'm thinking of is some kind of trap the devils made famous. i only know about it b/c i've seen baloo post about it
i think the thing i'm thinking of is some kind of trap the devils made famous. i only know about it b/c i've seen baloo post about it
Posted on 5/29/13 at 8:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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also, basketball and soccer are kind of unique in that they can take a player out of a game, which is a HUGE advantage to a team. hell in soccer a red will have your team playing a man down. the potential reward is high
but if you can get an early yellow out of a defender, you can really change a game
Excellent point.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 8:49 am to WestCoastAg
The last few years I was actually starting to get into soccer. But then I discovered rugby and once I started watching rugby I kinda quit watching soccer.
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