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re: LeBron has passed up MJ in total playoff games with 30/5/5
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:03 am to Kracka
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:03 am to Kracka
quote:When using this argument, how can one argue MJ is the GOAT and not this man?
Here is the way I look at it. Stats are to get players in the HOF when they have not won a championship. Its a way for reporters and fan boys to validate the "greatness" of said player.
Once a player has crossed over into winning championchips even multiple once, I think the accomplishments start to speak for themselves. What they've done in the playoffs, in the championship series, is more important that stats that they rack up on in the regular season. Regular season stats, again in my opinion, is for getting players who aren't on the championship level in the HOF or the HOF discussion.
With that said, how can one person argue that Lebron is the GOAT **AT THIS POINT IN HIS CAREER**, when MJ has won 6 rings, 6 Finals MVPs, and 3 3-peats.
You cant have it both ways
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Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:06 am to buckeye_vol
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is getting sick in the finals now necessary to attain GOAT status?
No and I think that the Jordan Flu game is about as overrated as it gets.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:09 am to lsupride87
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You cant have it both ways
I am not saying I do. It's hard to not say that Bill Russell is not one of, if not THE Goat.
I am not sure, I've tried to look it up, but did they even give out Finals MVPs when he played? The earliest one I can find is Jerry West in 1969.
I would like to See Jordans Career playoff/finals stats versus Russell's.
That could be the difference there. I don't want you to confuse my earlier statement as being that I was saying the rings were the sole determining factor in Jordan's GOAT status.
I don't necessarily agree with alot of this article's opinions, but some of the facts are interesting when considering Russell's legacy.
This post was edited on 5/21/15 at 11:16 am
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:11 am to lsupride87
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MJ is the best ever. I am just smart enough to not eat the bullshite "will to win" cliche the media throws at you. I bet you lapped up the "Kobe has the clutch gene" too?
I don't pay attention to mainstream media, so no I didn't eat anything they "threw" at me.
Kobe Bryant is not clutch. BUT he is one of the only people since MJ to have that killer instinct and not worry about what others have to say about him and want to be liked by everyone.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:13 am to BayouBengal6884
quote:What does this have to do with determining the quality of a basketball player?
BUT he is one of the only people since MJ to have that killer instinct and not worry about what others have to say about him and want to be liked by everyone.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:17 am to lsupride87
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You mean hungover as frick from the night before from being a degenerate? Which begs me to ask
I love when MJ haters bring this stuff up. What the frick does this have to do with what he accomplished on the basketball court? MJ's a degenerate, he gambled a lot...oh the horror
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:17 am to Kracka
They didn't give out finals MVPs. However, Russel won 5 actual MVPs. If the did give out finals MVPs, Bill would have between 9-11
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:18 am to buckeye_vol
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What does this have to do with determining the quality of a basketball player?
It doesn't really, they just like to hang this out there. It's kind of like knowing you have a big dick, so you like to show it to people. And since you have that factor, most guys and people in general are going to hate you for it. Money and having lots of it, same thing. People hate you for it.
It's the problem 98% of the OT have.......
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:20 am to lsupride87
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Bill would have between 9-11
I would agree with the article, around a half dozen or so. Consider the GOAT Celtics contenders that were on those teams.....
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:23 am to Kracka
He would have won more than 6 for sure
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:30 am to lsupride87
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They didn't give out finals MVPs. However, Russel won 5 actual MVPs. If the did give out finals MVPs, Bill would have between 9-11
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Over his illustrious career, Russell averaged 15.1 ppg, 22.5 rpg, and 4.3 apg. He earned five MVPs, 12 all-star team berths, and won an Olympic gold medal in 1956. If the NBA had always given them out, Russell most likely would have won at least a half dozen Finals MVP awards too.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:33 am to tigerpimpbot
So is that you just backing me up? 
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:37 am to tigerpimpbot
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22.5 rpg
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:44 am to brmark70816
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Has Lebron gone out in a finals game with the hungover and a 100+ fever and dominated?
FTFY
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:58 am to lsupride87
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So is that you just backing me up?
I'm not even sure
Posted on 5/21/15 at 4:02 pm to Nonetheless
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Has Lebron gone out in a finals game with the hungover and a 100+ fever and dominated?
FTFY
Has Jordan ever had to fight off cramps in the blistering heat of the non-air-conditioned Alamo Dome like LeCramp had to just last year?
Posted on 5/21/15 at 4:23 pm to OFWHAP
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fight off cramps in the blistering heat of the non-air-conditioned Alamo Dome like LeCramp had to just last year?
we are all witness.
I mean, he was the only player standing by the end, right?
No? Well......
Posted on 5/21/15 at 4:37 pm to CptBengal
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we are all witness.
I mean, he was the only player standing by the end, right?
No? Well......
His heroics in game 2 did allow the Heat to avoid getting swept by the Spurs, so there's that...
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