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re: Lebron almost got 40 points and 20 assists tonight.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:17 pm to jturn17
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:17 pm to jturn17
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I believe you can shoot as low as around 35% FG and still benefit from taking shots.
well FG% is only part of the story
what shots you're taking and the FTs you get (and your rate) matter a great deal
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Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:18 pm to bbap
They are fricking horrendous. I root for the team dryer to catch on fire after every Heat game.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:19 pm to tigerfan88
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Any reasoning that PER is a joke? Or any sort of link or statistic regarding Lebron's defense you care to share?
He gives up more points per 100 possessions then guys like Griffin, Carlos Boozer, and Lamar Odom.
On a side note, Paul George is quietly have a great year but since his PER isn't that high (because it doesn't have any defensive measurements/factors whatsoever), few notice it. If he keeps his high level of play up, he should be DPOY.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:21 pm to Pierce Hawthorne
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Pierce Hawthorne
Troll alter.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:25 pm to jturn17
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I don't think you understood any of what I wrote to be honest.
Well, I did take PHD level statistics course. You are right, I haven't bothered to break down his formula. I could probably if I wanted to, but I at least get the general premise, i.e. a sample is only as good as it is representative of a total population. The PER makes homogenous sample out disparate groups with inequal opportunity, i.e. players that are injured, sit out for various reasons, etc., are weighted the same as player that can play 40 minutes per game.
Actually, I don't get your complaint since Lebron is a high volume player and therefore his PER sample is great (less margin for error). If anything, it would be players that play less what would benefit from this stat, but I'm sure he has his formula weighted in some manner to benefit players that play more minutes.
This post was edited on 2/26/13 at 11:29 pm
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:29 pm to R_o_y
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Lebron almost got 40 points and 20 assists tonight.
I could of sworn it was only 16...kind of a good bit away from 20... and by that logic we should say everyone who gets 6 assists "almost has 10 assists".
Also, to the guy who complained about the Heat not making shots to give LeBron more assists, they shot 55.4% with only 12 TO's, and the Kings had 19 TOs. Plenty of opportunities to score...and they even shot about 52% from 3-range while having 25+ 3-pt FG attempts.
Oh and on top of all that they went into overtime.
This post was edited on 2/26/13 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:33 pm to Fat Bastard
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now now play along with the narrative or else you will be scolded!!!!!!!!!
#heatnation
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:37 pm to R_o_y
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Actually, I don't get your complaint since Lebron is a high volume player and therefore his PER sample is great (less margin for error). If anything, it would be players that play less what would benefit from this stat.
You misunderstood my point. That's what happened. My complaint isn't PER's evaluation of LeBron. It's PER in general. PER doesn't give a negative treatment for missed FGs, and all you have to do is shoot over 33% to have a positive impact. So it has a tendency to overvalue volume scorers over other types of players. I'm not saying it's a bad stat or anything. It's very useful. I just prefer others, and wish other catch all stats got more press.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:42 pm to StraightCashHomey21
People complaining that players can chuck up shots at a 33% clip and still improve their PER may be right, idk, but here's the top 15 guys
Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Chris Paul, Tony Parker, Brook Lopez, Tim Duncan, Dwyane Wade, James Harden, Blake Griffin, Carmelo Anthony, Russell Westbrook, Kobe Bryant, Kyrie Irving, Andre Drummond, and Andray Blatche.
You have to go all the way to Drummond before you find a guy not a consensus all-star and both drummond and blatche put up great stats they just don't play alot. There isn't a single "chucker" on that list, and I think the top 4 guys are probably the order most NBA experts and hardcore fans would put them
ETA: In fact, look at a guy like Rudy Gay who's the definition of an inefficient volume shooter/scorer. He rates as a below average player according to PER. JR smith is almost right at league average, and Jamal Crawford is just slightly above
Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Chris Paul, Tony Parker, Brook Lopez, Tim Duncan, Dwyane Wade, James Harden, Blake Griffin, Carmelo Anthony, Russell Westbrook, Kobe Bryant, Kyrie Irving, Andre Drummond, and Andray Blatche.
You have to go all the way to Drummond before you find a guy not a consensus all-star and both drummond and blatche put up great stats they just don't play alot. There isn't a single "chucker" on that list, and I think the top 4 guys are probably the order most NBA experts and hardcore fans would put them
ETA: In fact, look at a guy like Rudy Gay who's the definition of an inefficient volume shooter/scorer. He rates as a below average player according to PER. JR smith is almost right at league average, and Jamal Crawford is just slightly above
This post was edited on 2/26/13 at 11:47 pm
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:45 pm to tiggerthetooth
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they shot 55.4% with only 12 TO's, and the Kings had 19 TOs. Plenty of opportunities to score...and they even shot about 52% from 3-range while having 25+ 3-pt FG attempts.
Bron is shooting almost 58% for the season. The rest of those fricks need to pick it up. Thanks for proving my point.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:50 pm to jturn17
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You misunderstood my point. That's what happened. My complaint isn't PER's evaluation of LeBron. It's PER in general. PER doesn't give a negative treatment for missed FGs, and all you have to do is shoot over 33% to have a positive impact. So it has a tendency to overvalue volume scorers over other types of players. I'm not saying it's a bad stat or anything. It's very useful. I just prefer others, and wish other catch all stats got more press.
Volume shooters take more difficult shots. Centers usually have over 50 percent FG percentage. They also usually take fewer and easier shots. It doesn't necessarily stand to reason because a guy has 33 FG percentage and is a volume shooter that his efficiency is less. In any case, Lebron is shooting 57 percent from the field.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:53 pm to R_o_y
He's also taking half his shots within 8-10 of the basket too. He still can't really post up either, but hey when you get all the calls you need and you're the best athlete in the game, who needs to develop a full basketball game? 
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:55 pm to Pierce Hawthorne
In 5 quarters but still impressive. Guy has been on a tear.
Posted on 2/27/13 at 12:11 am to Pierce Hawthorne
gamecockalum in da buidling 
Posted on 2/27/13 at 12:16 am to StraightCashHomey21
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gamecockalum in da buidling
He's back.... again.
Posted on 2/27/13 at 12:50 am to tiggerthetooth
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I could of sworn it was only 16...kind of a good bit away from 20... and by that logic we should say everyone who gets 8 assists "almost has 10 assists".
FIFY.
Remember that class in middle school about ratios?
16/20=X/10...
Posted on 2/27/13 at 1:14 am to slackster
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FIFY.
Remember that class in middle school about ratios?
16/20=X/10...
80 percent of 20 assists is almost. So yea, 8 assists is almost 10 = 80 percent. Basically, if that's not the case, 3.2 assists is not close to 4. Just sayin...
This post was edited on 2/27/13 at 1:19 am
Posted on 2/27/13 at 9:53 am to R_o_y
Posted on 2/27/13 at 10:11 am to StraightCashHomey21
I've got to hand it to GCA. He doesn't waste time trying to hide his alters. He goes straight for the Movie board and Lebron threads.
Posted on 2/27/13 at 10:20 am to Fat Bastard
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Fat Bastard
I didn't know we started measuring guys by their career-high point totals from one game.
This would mean that Wilt, Kobe, Elgin Baylor, David Thompson and David Robinson were better than Jordan.
This post was edited on 2/27/13 at 10:22 am
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