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Posted on 3/27/23 at 9:15 pm to VADawg
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LeVeon Bell. Got big paid by the Jets and immediately stopped caring, a la Julio Jones.
He also got about the same guaranteed money the Steelers offered that he turned down plus he threw away an entire years salary of 14.5 million while refusing to report.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:23 am to Roll Tide Ravens
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Roll Tide Ratbird
Posted on 3/28/23 at 9:04 am to shel311
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Some franchises go 30+ seasons without consistently good QB play. You can't give that up.
Consistently good QB play when you're paying for elite QB play sinks a franchise and torpedoes their ability to win anything significant. The Vikings gave themselves a hard, hard ceiling when they signed Cousins to that fully guaranteed contract.
Smart GMs would laugh at any QB who asks for more money than Mahomes, because none of them are better than him. "That's the market" is such a stupid reason to overpay a decent QB. There is a mountain of evidence out there that shows teams who pay QBs other than Mahomes big money don't win anything, yet it is constantly ignored.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 9:06 am to VADawg
Actually had a guy tell me that Lamar should get Mahomes deal. Realized that I can never talk sports with that person again.
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This post was edited on 3/28/23 at 9:20 am
Posted on 3/28/23 at 9:15 am to DownSouthCrawfish
Now we have Steak Shapiro on 92.9 here in Atlanta literally pushing for the Falcons to sign Jackson b/c of "mUh, eMpTy sEaTs."
People are morons.
People are morons.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 9:15 am to VADawg
quote:I wasn't responding to a post saying pay Lamar whatever he wants.
Smart GMs would laugh at any QB who asks for more money than Mahomes, because none of them are better than him.
I was responding to a post saying if you get an elite QB in the draft, that no matter what you should trade him after year 4 and then repeat the process. My point is that you simply "repeat the process" as you can go decades before you get another elite QB.
quote:Not as quickly as not having any QB
Consistently good QB play when you're paying for elite QB play sinks a franchise and torpedoes their ability to win anything significant.
quote:Again, that was never my argument.
"That's the market" is such a stupid reason to overpay a decent QB. There is a mountain of evidence out there that shows teams who pay QBs other than Mahomes big money don't win anything, yet it is constantly ignored.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 9:22 am to shel311
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I was responding to a post saying if you get an elite QB in the draft, that no matter what you should trade him after year 4 and then repeat the process. My point is that you simply "repeat the process" as you can go decades before you get another elite QB.
Yes. You were responding to me
. If you have a truly elite guy, you keep him. I think elite is a grossly overused term when talking about QBs. Lamar Jackson has been elite for exactly one season in his career, and that was four years ago. Everyone who is clamoring for him to get paid assumes they're getting the 2019 version of him, when I think the 2019 version of him is gone for good.
I would absolutely continue to cycle through QBs on rookie contracts until I get one who is on the Mahomes tier. None of the rest of them are worth what they're asking, and paying them what they want kills your ability to put the roster around them that most of them need to succeed.
This post was edited on 3/28/23 at 9:24 am
Posted on 3/28/23 at 9:25 am to DownSouthCrawfish
The "prolly" in that exchange tells me everything I need to know about the mouth breather you're talking to. Probably a nice guy, but that is a retarded take.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 9:30 am to BilJ
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for which the Ravens has not been interested in meeting my value, any and everyone that’s has met me or been around me know I love the game of football
Holy runon batman. No one gives a frick about your love of football. It has no bearing on value. And i dont see any other teams meeting your “value”.
Im starting to hate Lamar. And thats as someone who has been a big fan for years. The Browns fricked up with Watson’s contract. And now these players all think they deserve 50% of the salary cap. Its insane.
This post was edited on 3/28/23 at 9:31 am
Posted on 3/28/23 at 10:24 am to VADawg
quote:Didn't realize.
Yes. You were responding to me .
Well in fairness, you kinda moved the goalposts on me lol.
quote:In the history of football and 32 teams or whatever, there has existed exactly 1 of that guy. You can go the next 50 years, and the odds of your team getting that guy are extremely slim. You can win titles without the best QB of all time, that does not seem like a winning strategy IMO
I would absolutely continue to cycle through QBs on rookie contracts until I get one who is on the Mahomes tier. None of the rest of them are worth what they're asking, and paying them what they want kills your ability to put the roster around them that most of them need to succeed.
Unless you mean guys like Burrow and Allen are on the "Mahomes tier" then maybe I'm misunderstanding you. Those 2 dudes are great, but I'm confident that Mahomes sits on a tier all by himself, so that is why I took it that way.
This post was edited on 3/28/23 at 10:25 am
Posted on 3/28/23 at 10:30 am to shel311
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I'm confident that Mahomes sits on a tier all by himself, so that is why I took it that way.
I think he does too, and you interpreted my comments correctly. I don't think Allen ever gets a ring; his window shut this year.
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In the history of football and 32 teams or whatever, there has existed exactly 1 of that guy. You can go the next 50 years, and the odds of your team getting that guy are extremely slim. You can win titles without the best QB of all time, that does not seem like a winning strategy IMO
Since the rookie wage scale was introduced, the Super Bowl winning QBs are as follows:
Wilson
Brady
P. Manning
Brady
Wentz/Foles
Brady
Mahomes
Brady
Stafford
Mahomes
Wilson, Wentz, and Mahomes (the first one) were on rookie deals. Foles was a dirt cheap backup. Brady ALWAYS left a good chunk of money on the table so the Patriots could load up around him. Stafford's deal was structured to not spike until 2022, basically giving the Rams a one year window. Manning was the 5th or 6th highest QB cap hit in 2015.
Mahomes in 2022 is the only one who won a Super Bowl AFTER getting big paid. You have to be super elite or relatively cheap at QB to win. There is no middle ground.
This post was edited on 3/28/23 at 10:31 am
Posted on 3/28/23 at 10:32 am to VADawg
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Smart GMs would laugh at any QB who asks for more money than Mahomes, because none of them are better than him. "That's the market" is such a stupid reason to overpay a decent QB. There is a mountain of evidence out there that shows teams who pay QBs other than Mahomes big money don't win anything, yet it is constantly ignored.
Mahomes also has Andy Reid as his HC. If you put Lamar, or Herbert, or Burrow, or Hurts, or any above average qb with Reid I bet they would be closer to winning super bowls than losing in the first round of playoffs.
I just do not get how franchises pay such a huge percentage of their salary cap to someone that occupies less than 2% of their roster spots.
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