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re: Kirk Cousins: Where Does He End Up?
Posted on 12/27/17 at 10:29 am to Crowknowsbest
Posted on 12/27/17 at 10:29 am to Crowknowsbest
quote:This x1000.
The cardinal sin in management of NFL teams is overpaying for players
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Posted on 12/27/17 at 10:31 am to Crowknowsbest
quote:but is it overpaying if everyone is doing it?
The cardinal sin in management of NFL teams is overpaying for players. The Redskins are the poster child of that. You'll have to excuse us for not wanting anything to do with that.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 10:32 am to brmark70816
quote:So, they have oaid this so far
The 3rd franchise tag is going to be 34M for a season.
Year 1 tag-19.9 million
Year 2 tag-23.9 million
Year 3 potential tag- 34 million
That would mean they have paid cousins 77.8 million without having him under a contract.
Good job skins
Posted on 12/27/17 at 10:32 am to shel311
I know how much you love Stafford...not saying he is the entire difference, but is Stafford worth it to not be the Browns? I think it's an interesting question. As a fan, I guess I want the shot at the playoffs, but it's possible the franchise is just going to overpay for mediocrity for the next five years and be worse off in the long run.
This post was edited on 12/27/17 at 10:34 am
Posted on 12/27/17 at 10:33 am to castorinho
quote:Yes
but is it overpaying if everyone is doing it?
Posted on 12/27/17 at 10:33 am to shel311
When I look at the individual metrics here, it seems like he should be around 5-8 overall, yet they have him overall at 15?
Posted on 12/27/17 at 10:34 am to lsupride87
quote:I can't figure out for the life of me why they can't put a decent team around him!!!!
That would mean they have paid cousins 77.8 million without having him under a contract.
Good job skins
Posted on 12/27/17 at 10:36 am to castorinho
quote:
but is it overpaying if everyone is doing it?
Yes. Give me a Tyrod Taylor or Alex Smith and a good solid team around them, and you can have $30M Kirk Cousins and the crew from the island of misfit toys.
It would be one thing if we were talking about Aaron Rodgers. Kirk Cousins is not Aaron Rodgers.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 10:37 am to Bunk Moreland
quote:I kinda feel like the Browns are in a special place of their own lol. But I see your point.
I know how much you love Stafford...not saying he is the entire difference, but is Stafford worth it to not be the Browns? I think it's an interesting question. As a fan, I guess I want the shot at the playoffs, but it's possible the franchise is just going to overpay for mediocrity for the next five years and be worse off in the long run.
It may very well be worth it just to gain a little bit of relevance. I would just say if you pay Stafford what he got and Cousins the $30mil he may get, just don't expect to win anything...ever.
Any crap team would improve with either QB. But, for example, this thread has lots of talk about what would happen if Cousins didn't play this season for WAS. Yea, maybe they become a 4-12 team, but that's just not the correct way to look at it IMO. I'm not interested in the difference between 4-12 and 9-7. I want the difference between 9-7 and a QB who can lead you to that title...or a QB who can not frick it up while your run game/defense does the majority of the work, and neither of those are possible at these insane contracts for these 2 guys IMO. They won't lead a team there and the team can't build around them for them to do just not enough.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 10:38 am to shel311
quote:
Sometimes a rebuild is better than meddling around .500 or so knowing you're not good enough for many reasons.
Kirk is not the reason the Redskins are .500 and Tom Brady or any other elite qb is not walking through that door. If Washington lets KC go they will be making a huge mistake. If I was going to rebuild that team the QB would be the last place I would start.
Alex Smith or any other QB of his caliber is going to want $20m a year to go play for the Redskins. I'm not sure what ya'll expect? The Detroit Lions made Stafford one of the highest paid QBs in the league and he hasn't won shite and puts up similar numbers to Kirk.
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Wow, big ask for a dude who can't beat good teams.
I just have to laugh when I see ya'll blaming your losses on KC. He is one of 53 men on that team, no way he is the only reason why the Redskins suck. Just about every other team in the NFL that has a QB put up those kinds of numbers has winning records and in the playoffs or hurt by injuries. That coaching staff would be the first place I'd start to rebuild that team.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 10:38 am to Crowknowsbest
quote:I'd take Taylor/Smith any day at $15-18mil/year on a short contract over Cousins on a long term mega deal.
Yes. Give me a Tyrod Taylor or Alex Smith and a good solid team around them, and you can have $30M Kirk Cousins and the crew from the island of misfit toys.
They're all in the same range in terms of how good they are, they're all in that fringe top 10 area.
This post was edited on 12/27/17 at 10:39 am
Posted on 12/27/17 at 10:41 am to offshoretrash
quote:
Kirk is not the reason the Redskins are .500
We know that, but Washington can't fix those other problems if they pay Kirk $30M per year.
The goal is to win the Super Bowl. I don't give a frick about being a fringe playoff team. I'd rather risk being horrible than be content with being only decent.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 10:42 am to offshoretrash
quote:As I said, Cousins is not the problem. But he's also not the solution.
Kirk is not the reason the Redskins are .500
quote:Right, so don't pay your non-elite QB like an elite QB and screw yourself for the next 5 years.
and Tom Brady or any other elite qb is not walking through that door.
quote:It's not as simple as that. If they let him go because he wants and some other team will give him $30mil/year for 5 years, Washington made the right decision.
If Washington lets KC go they will be making a huge mistake.
quote:That would be great for the Redskins to get a $20mil value on an Alex Smith, or even $20mil on Cousins.
Alex Smith or any other QB of his caliber is going to want $20m a year to go play for the Redskins
quote:Yea, and you want Washington to tie themselves down to another QB who won't win shite, perfect comparison for why Washington should NOT pay Cousins that money.
The Detroit Lions made Stafford one of the highest paid QBs in the league and he hasn't won shite and puts up similar numbers to Kirk.
quote:He's not the guy that will put the team on his back, so not worth $30mil.
I just have to laugh when I see ya'll blaming your losses on KC. He is one of 53 men on that team, no way he is the only reason why the Redskins suck. Just about every other team in the NFL that has a QB put up those kinds of numbers has winning records and in the playoffs or hurt by injuries. That coaching staff would be the first place I'd start to rebuild that team.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 10:42 am to shel311
The Redskins are loaded with talent. The fact we aren't in the playoffs just doesn't make any sense. Sure injuries set us back, but the team just didn't live up to expectations. A lot of that has to be put on Cousins. If he can't make the playoffs with 3 pro bowl level lineman, an all pro tight end, 2 explosive playmakers in Thompson and Crowder, plus a former 1000 yard receiver in Pryor (top 3 FA WR) with a strong defense then how is he going to all of a sudden elevate the Browns?
Like I said, the Redskins will be fine. Cousins will be tagged and if the Broncos or Browns or Jags want him, they will have to come with some picks and players. It won't happen though, he is going to stay a Redskin..
Like I said, the Redskins will be fine. Cousins will be tagged and if the Broncos or Browns or Jags want him, they will have to come with some picks and players. It won't happen though, he is going to stay a Redskin..
Posted on 12/27/17 at 10:44 am to Crowknowsbest
quote:This is what I don't get about the crowd arguing for WAS to pay him.
We know that, but Washington can't fix those other problems if they pay Kirk $30M per year.
They say the team around him isn't good enough. But then they want WAS to give him more money, thus making the team around him even worse.
In what world does that work out with sustained success, especially in the postseason?
quote:This guy gets me!!
The goal is to win the Super Bowl. I don't give a frick about being a fringe playoff team. I'd rather risk being horrible than be content with being only decent.
The only cavaet I throw out is teams/owners do have to worry about revenues sometimes as much or more than actual winning. But as fans, we don't give a shite about that, our top goal is winning. If WAS makes this move, maybe it keeps them fringe playoff relevant and works from a revenue standpoint...but it won't work from a sustained success especially in the postseason standpoint.
This post was edited on 12/27/17 at 10:46 am
Posted on 12/27/17 at 10:45 am to shel311
quote:
I'd take Taylor/Smith any day at $15-18mil/year on a short contract over Cousins on a long term mega deal.
You are not getting Smith for less than 20mil. He puts up top 10 stats he will demand top ten pay.
Taylor? Good luck with that but at least they could finally tank and get a top 5 pick.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 10:46 am to shel311
quote:well they fricked up. Thy should have let him go or signed him long term a couple of years ago. That contract would look like a bargain right now.
can't figure out for the life of me why they can't put a decent team around him!!!!
As it stands he's already made close to the guaranteed money he would have received under a long term contract.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 10:46 am to Bunk Moreland
quote:
Stafford worth it to not be the Browns
Yes...he is worth every penny they pay him for what he does on the field and his leadership.
You also know from following the organization over the years...FAs are signing with Detroit to play with him, which has been written about extensively...you aren't attracting Golden Tate, TJ Lang, Rick Wagner, etc to play with the Jake Rudock's of the world.
The idea you can't build a team around what you pay Stafford is simply wrong. You can't win by paying the Ziggy Ansah to show up once or twice a year whenever he is up against a backup LT. They still have plenty of cap space going forward.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 10:49 am to offshoretrash
quote:Taylor and Cousins are in the same tier...the ok tier.
Taylor? Good luck with that but at least they could finally tank and get a top 5 pick.
The top 10 ish tier.
Cousins isn't worlds better than Taylor. You've talked about the entire 53 man roster in another post in reference to Cousins....well don't ignore the complete dumpster fire that is the Bills pass blocking and WRs then tell me that Tyrod Taylor is so much worse.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 10:50 am to brgfather129
quote:I mean, we are at year 9 now before we paid him the big contract, it's not going to magically get better.
The idea you can't build a team around what you pay Stafford is simply wrong.
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