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re: Justin Fields threw to his primary target on 218 of his 225 pass attempts last season
Posted on 4/2/21 at 7:19 am to Bench McElroy
Posted on 4/2/21 at 7:19 am to Bench McElroy
People always accused me and other UGA fans of being butthurt or mad or whatever by questioning fields' abilities and mega stats he was putting up at OSU but the OP really puts it into perspective.
At UGA fields admittedly was a true freshman and did not get a lot of throwing opportunities. On passing plays he would often panic adn run, and when he did throw it was often to his first read. But again, chalk that up to youth.
At OSU he went to a system more designed to his skills and played in a weaker conference so he flourished. People still questioned how good he "actually" was though compared to guys like burrow or tua who were doing a lot more nuanced things at the position. I think if a team takes fields in the top 5 they're going to be sorely disappointed if they expect him to lead an NFL team.
At UGA fields admittedly was a true freshman and did not get a lot of throwing opportunities. On passing plays he would often panic adn run, and when he did throw it was often to his first read. But again, chalk that up to youth.
At OSU he went to a system more designed to his skills and played in a weaker conference so he flourished. People still questioned how good he "actually" was though compared to guys like burrow or tua who were doing a lot more nuanced things at the position. I think if a team takes fields in the top 5 they're going to be sorely disappointed if they expect him to lead an NFL team.
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Posted on 4/2/21 at 7:20 am to ReauxlTide222
Its laughable at all these people hate on mac Jones. Saying he had great talent around him and because of that he is not great. But they say Joey b. Was great even though he had great talent around him, but thats different though. Bunch of dumb asses who can't see the truth for all the hate and jealousy. Mac was better than tua with same talent around him. Tua was good but his decision making was questionable sometimes and it got him in trouble and thats why he got hurt alot because he held the ball too long and wasn't always decisive in his progressions. Mac is the best Bama qb at doing that I've ever seen . He made the right calls 99 % of the time. He is nfl ready from day one, he may not be the highest ceiling of the 5 qbs in the 1st round but he is the most sure fire safest bet to not be a bust. The kid is has a photo graphic memory and the gm's and coaches are loving his football IQ. You lsu fans can hate all you want but the kid is a damn good quarterback.
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 7:21 am
Posted on 4/2/21 at 7:27 am to KillerNut9
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KillerNut9
Curious what your honest opinion of Fields is. You likely have watched him more than anyone else in this thread.
I’m a bit thrown off by the back and forth about him in the media. First it was he doesn’t make full field reads, but now that is apparently a myth. I went back and watched his Clemson highlights, and he obviously made multiple incredible throws. It was several deep shots to receivers with really good separation, which isn’t the most translatable thing to the NFL. It does show he throws a great deep ball which is obviously a plus though. I thought his best throw of that game by far was the TD he threw to the tight end right before halftime I believe, it was up the seam and he threaded the needle between 2 defenders. It was his primary read but definitely an NFL wow throw.
I don’t really know what to make of him with the primary read stuff. I will say sometimes it seems he holds the ball a bit long, and maybe doesn’t play with the same sense of urgency in the pocket that he’ll need to at the next level. Just my thoughts.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 7:34 am to Jack Ruby
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Analytics actually say he's not going to be a big time qb at the next level.
Lol no they don’t. Mac Jones will have a better career than Old Joe Burrow.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 7:43 am to lob1284
He's the best Ohio State QB I've ever watched. And it's not really close. Rocket arm, accurate (deep ball is ridiculously accurate), mobile, and tough as hell.
He definitely has things to improve on, but I don't think it's anything he can't overcome. Like you said, he does have a tendency to hold on to the ball too long in hopes of trying to make a play.
The stuff that has been coming out about him this past week is absolute horeshit though.
The work ethic stuff is laughable. That can come only from the Ohio State program. Yeah, I'm sure the program is trying to kill a great marketing opportunity. And I'm sure the kid that fought like hell to have a season when he had nothing to gain financially, but everything to lose, has terrible work ethic.
And on the primary read stuff, sure he threw to his primary read a lot. But is that a problem when he's completing 70% of his passes? Claiming he only completed passes to his secondary reads 7 times this season is hilariously wrong.
Orlovsky has put out multiple videos of Fields going through his progressions fine. Matt Miller said he went to his 4th read numerous times in the Clemson game.
ETA. I have no idea how good of a NFL QB he will be. That's practically a crapshoot with almost all prospects. I just haven't seen much from him that leads me to believe he'll be a bust.
He definitely has things to improve on, but I don't think it's anything he can't overcome. Like you said, he does have a tendency to hold on to the ball too long in hopes of trying to make a play.
The stuff that has been coming out about him this past week is absolute horeshit though.
The work ethic stuff is laughable. That can come only from the Ohio State program. Yeah, I'm sure the program is trying to kill a great marketing opportunity. And I'm sure the kid that fought like hell to have a season when he had nothing to gain financially, but everything to lose, has terrible work ethic.
And on the primary read stuff, sure he threw to his primary read a lot. But is that a problem when he's completing 70% of his passes? Claiming he only completed passes to his secondary reads 7 times this season is hilariously wrong.
Orlovsky has put out multiple videos of Fields going through his progressions fine. Matt Miller said he went to his 4th read numerous times in the Clemson game.
ETA. I have no idea how good of a NFL QB he will be. That's practically a crapshoot with almost all prospects. I just haven't seen much from him that leads me to believe he'll be a bust.
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 7:46 am
Posted on 4/2/21 at 7:49 am to TheeRealCarolina
Are NFL teams willing to completely build around Field's strengths? A team like Arizona, even Baltimore were happy to completely change their system. Even then, can't see that it has gotten them very far in the playoff.
The 49ers system doesn't seem as friendly for these exclusive RPO spread guys. If they want a QB that fits what they like to do, philosophically speaking, Fields isn't that guy.
The 49ers system doesn't seem as friendly for these exclusive RPO spread guys. If they want a QB that fits what they like to do, philosophically speaking, Fields isn't that guy.
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 7:56 am
Posted on 4/2/21 at 7:53 am to bamameister
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The 49ers system doesn't seem as friendly for these exclusive RPO spread guys. If they want a QB that fits what they like to do, philosophically speaking, Fields isn't that guy.
Fields ran less RPOs than any of the top 5 QBs in this draft.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:00 am to ReauxlTide222
Just validates that Ryan Day is a wizard, one of the best offensive minds and play callers alive.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:02 am to Bench McElroy
But he threw it rolling left a long way.
Pro days and the 40 yard dash are the biggest overblown events
Pro days and the 40 yard dash are the biggest overblown events
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:06 am to Bench McElroy
218/225 is insane. That’s an extreme where it’s become a crutch and he may not be able to break the bad habit
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:07 am to Bench McElroy
Feel like Fields is a perfect fit for the Raiders. Stud athlete that will end up not translating to the NFL bc he has nothing except his athleticism
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:18 am to bamameister
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The 49ers system doesn't seem as friendly for these exclusive RPO spread guys. If they want a QB that fits what they like to do, philosophically speaking, Fields isn't that guy.
Shanahan is a brilliant offensive coach. He built the Redskins offense around Griffin's running ability the year he won ROY.
He wouldn't try and pigeonhole Fields into a specific system. He would tailor the offense around Fields's strengths. Good coaches do this for their QBs. I actually think that if anyone can make Fields a star in the NFL, it would be Shanahan.
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 8:19 am
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:33 am to Upperdecker
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218/225 is insane. That’s an extreme where it’s become a crutch and he may not be able to break the bad habit
I think this was debunked already in another article or two.
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Here’s the thing: While I’ve heard a lot about Fields’ inability to get off his first read, I haven’t really seen a lot of examples of this playing out on the field. And when I did my own review of Fields film, I had a hard time finding any myself.
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Here’s a not-so-well-kept secret: There isn’t only one way to read out a play. On some plays, the quarterback might be asked to go through a “full-field” progression, which is probably the type of read most people think of when they hear the term progressions. You’re not seeing a whole lot of that at the college level, but there are some pass concepts in the Ohio State playbook that fall under the category.
I don't like this article in some ways as it paints him as a "black QB" and has the undertone
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For a multitude of reasons, this is downright inaccurate, and can be easily disputed by simply turning on the tape. Fields has consistently shown the ability to work every level of the field, and do so with a high level of accuracy. As for not working through progressions? This is an issues that must be addressed.
My comment on the issue is if Fields has a primary guy, looks his way, then goes through 1-3 progressions and goes back to that primary guy because he went through his progressions and that guy is now his best option or has gotten open, does that still count as him going to his primary target? I would assume so but that would inflate a stat to be disingenuous.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:39 am to VADawg
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He wouldn't try and pigeonhole Fields into a specific system. He would tailor the offense around Fields's strengths. Good coaches do this for their QBs. I actually think that if anyone can make Fields a star in the NFL, it would be Shanahan.
I remember how that Griffin experiment went. A QB suffering multiple concussions and other injuries before he flamed out like a falling star on a dark night. It's not just about building around someone's talent level, Baltimore is doing that, a smart OC like Shannahan wants a full progression read guy that has the instincts to process it. No amount of athleticism will replace those qualities.
In my life, the only time I've seen where having great wheels at QB really mattered was when they had a great arm and instinct to go with it. Steve Young, John Elway, Fran Tarkenton moved their feet with a purpose but had the passing savvy to pay it off.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:43 am to KillerNut9
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Yes, let's believe NFL personnel on this. I'm sure they have no motive. Especially just days after there was leaks questioning his work ethic, when just about everyone with actually ties to the program have said the polar opposite.
Not going to argue with you on this point but Fields has always been a one pump chump in the pocket. It's apparent to any non-OSU fan that has watched him play. That is something that cannot be fixed in the NFL.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:49 am to Bamadog75
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Saying he had great talent around him and because of that he is not great. But they say Joey b. Was great even though he had great talent around him, but thats different though.
Bingo.
2018 Burrow was average as frick, 2019 he played on a team with 13 NFL draft picks. So why wasn’t Joe carried along by all those top picks?
Hate on Mac for playing with talent around him, but Joe had the most talented team in the nation in 2019 and he gets a pass.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:50 am to ReauxlTide222
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Mac Jones to the 49ers
Mac Jones threw to receivers that were open by 15 yards on most attempts last season and had 20 minutes to throw behind his NFL OL.
I'm kidding, but it did feel like that.
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 8:52 am
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:52 am to ReauxlTide222
Yeah but how many times was Mac pressured, hit, or sacked?
Just saying, that outrageous OL (maybe best I've ever seen) and those great WRs can make someone average look elite.
He could be elite himself, not saying he can't be, just a risk not knowing how he does under any sort of adversity.
Just saying, that outrageous OL (maybe best I've ever seen) and those great WRs can make someone average look elite.
He could be elite himself, not saying he can't be, just a risk not knowing how he does under any sort of adversity.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:54 am to I Bleed Garnet
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The frick you laughing at? He had a typo. Who cares. Their are worse things to happen
ISWYDT.
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