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Posted on 6/5/10 at 10:35 am to
Posted by mrbug708
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 6/5/10 at 10:35 am to
If the 3rd best team in the ACC wins the ACC tournament and loses in the first round of the NCAA tournament, why would that make the conference that much harder? You aer merely making a case for never needing to expand the tournament or downtalking the value of the ACC.
Posted by Jamohn
Das Boot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 6/5/10 at 10:36 am to
quote:

Talent is God given. Be humble. Fame is man-given. Be grateful. Conceit is self-given. Be careful."
This one is my favorite. Thanks for posting it.

Wooden as a professional and as a person was one of the few true role models in American life, not just sports. There is no question that the world was richer yesterday than it is today.

R.I.P. Mr. Wooden.
Posted by spinoza
Member since Jan 2008
5543 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 11:45 am to
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You aer merely making a case for never needing to expand the tournament or downtalking the value of the ACC.


...uuhhh OK, not sure where that comes from..



Anyway: RIP Coach John Wooden (1910 - 2010)


Posted by tatervol
Lexington, TN
Member since Nov 2008
2159 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 11:54 am to
Who cares if Wooden might not have won as many titles if he would have coached in the ACC? It does'nt matter he is one of the best coaches in history and a better man and a hypothetical qustion does'nt matter
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 6/5/10 at 12:00 pm to
quote:

(Only two of the 88 games were against ACC teams......just saying)


I don't disagree with the fact that they would not have won 88 straight while in the ACC. You sound like you are trying to diminish just what Wooden meant to the game of basketball. If this is the case then YOU are a total fool!!!!
Posted by spinoza
Member since Jan 2008
5543 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 12:14 pm to
quote:

You sound like you are trying to diminish just what Wooden meant to the game of basketball.


No, not trying to do that...
IMO, Coach Wooden was one of the greatest coaches in any sport of all time !!!

He would have loved the challenge to have more competition and have to win ACC tourney every year in order to move on to NCAA tourney.
Or even to play in a 64 team NCAA tourney !!


quote:

I don't disagree with the fact that they would not have won 88 straight while in the ACC.


OK, many people who follow college basketball agree with us on this issue.

Who knows, Coach Wooden may even agree...


Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 12:23 pm to
The PAC-8 was no pushover league. And you had to win your conference to get into the tournament. 20 wins wasn't good enough, you couldn't afford to lose conference games. The worst record one of his championship teams had was 28-3.

And it's not like UCLA was getting challenged in too many of its NCAA tournament games either. They would have been a 1 seed every year they won the tournament.
Posted by ToesOnTheNose213
The present
Member since Oct 2007
2028 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 2:45 pm to
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GOAT..and maybe not just Basketball..maybe you name the sport..any of 'em?


USC college baseball coach AND Louisiana native Rod Dedeaux.

He was THE MAN. He's pretty close.

LINK
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
203531 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 2:47 pm to
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USC college baseball coach AND Louisiana native Rod Dedeaux.

He was THE MAN. He's pretty close.



:gtfo:


You are BULLSIT HERE!!!
Posted by ToesOnTheNose213
The present
Member since Oct 2007
2028 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 2:52 pm to
Posted by bigt41
Member since Nov 2008
3484 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 3:12 pm to
rip john wooden
Posted by spinoza
Member since Jan 2008
5543 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 3:28 pm to
Interestingly, Wooden's replacement: Gene Bartow (1975-77) had two great seasons, winning PAC-8 both years, and an overall 52-9 record, including a berth in the 1976 Final Four....of course Bartow was playing with Wooden's talent and did not deserve credit for success (only blame if his teams performed badly)...

Bartow left UCLA to start B-ball program at UAB. Gene Bartow replaced Coach Wooden, then went to UAB

This post was edited on 6/5/10 at 7:59 pm
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
203531 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 3:51 pm to
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Interestingly, Wooden replacement: Gene Bartow (1975-77) had two great seasons, winning PAC-8 both years, and an overall 52-9 record, including a berth in the 1976 Final Four.


AGAIN You seem to try to tarnish what Wooden did??? If you feel that way just let it out!!! You are about to PISS ME OFF!!!!
Posted by spinoza
Member since Jan 2008
5543 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 3:56 pm to
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AGAIN You seem to try to tarnish what Wooden did??


how so ?


"Many have called Coach Wooden the 'gold standard' of coaches. I believe he was the 'gold standard' of people and carried himself with uncommon grace, dignity and humility,'' Krzyzewski said. "Coach Wooden's name is synonymous with excellence, and deservedly so. He was one of the great leaders -- in any profession -- of his generation."


When John Wooden Died, So Did a Piece of Life
This post was edited on 6/5/10 at 4:03 pm
Posted by dukke v
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Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 6/5/10 at 4:02 pm to
quote:

how so ?


You keep brining up shite coaches did after him and such.


Heres MY take.

Wooden would say RIGHT NOW. Why all the fuss. I have had my life and tried to do the right thing. I hope I have been a TEACHER TO ALL I HAVE COME IN CONTACT WITH!!!! The REST IS UP TO THEM,.
Posted by spinoza
Member since Jan 2008
5543 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 4:05 pm to
quote:

You keep brining up shite coaches did after him and such.



"You can't let praise or criticism get to you. It's a weakness to get caught up in either one."






John Wooden’s Legacy: Pyramid of Success
This post was edited on 6/5/10 at 5:59 pm
Posted by lsuguy13
RIP MATT
Member since Mar 2004
9509 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 4:36 pm to
Rip to the greatest coach of all time
Posted by Walt OReilly
Poplarville, MS
Member since Oct 2005
124694 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 4:48 pm to
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im looking forward to bill waltons thoughts



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Posted by tubucoco
las vegas, nevada
Member since Oct 2007
32994 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 6:57 pm to
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Interestingly, Wooden replacement: Gene Bartow (1975-1977) had two great seasons, winning PAC-8 both years, including a berth in the 1976 Final Four.
of course Bartow was playin with Wooden's talent, and if he was close to being as good as the Wizard he would have that championship in the Final Four.
This post was edited on 6/5/10 at 7:01 pm
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12503 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 8:31 pm to
1) Wooden's UCLA teams did not win the conference and get to the NCAA tourney every year in the Pac-8; no reason to think failing to do so occasionally in the ACC would negatively impact his records/accomplishments.

2) His teams had a 38 game winning streak IN the NCAA tournament -- where it was ALL conference champions. No reason to suspect ACC champions and those who finished behind them in the conference would fare any better against his Bruin teams than the ACC Champions (and those who beat them in the tourney) did.

Nothing in the history of his contemporaries suggests his success would have been any less astounding in another conference.

But, most importantly, those are the inconsequential details. Coach Wooden was the greatest coach I have ever known of not because of his ability to coach basketball, but because of his ability to coach life. And, like all great teachers, he taught first and foremost by example. I have never heard anyone -- even those who lost to him -- have anything bad to say about him. I have never heard of him saying anything that I do not find to be inspiring. And the man had the same wife for 53 years, and 25 years after she passed away he was still writing her love letters. That kind of humanity and loyalty is a treasure that the world is most surely missing already.

RIP, Coach Wooden. I wish I had the chance to know you. I believe I am a better person simply for having known of you, and I'm sure the impact would have been tenfold greater in person.

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