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re: Joe Paterno will retire at the end of the season per AP
Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:13 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:13 pm to Lester Earl
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he told his superiors
give this bull a rest. The same superiors who fired him in 94? the same superiors who forced him out earlier this week?
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Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:13 pm to WDE24
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What facts in between would you need to know?
If he knowingly took part in a coverup of the incident.
It's the single biggest fact regarding all of these allegations; why didn't anyone say anything after they met after McQueary told him what he saw.
The AD and VP lied to the grand jury. Joe Pa did not. At this point it wouldnt be fair to lump him in with them. Like I said, see what facts come out. Then condemn.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:14 pm to Lester Earl
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of which he told his superiors about and cleared of any wrongdoing?
This isn't about legal wrong doing, it's about morality and being the figure head and one of the leaders of academic institution. He should have done more.
This post was edited on 11/9/11 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:15 pm to Lester Earl
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the district attorney has already said that what he did was by law the right thing to do.
No, basically what he said was it absolved him of legal responsibility. Few think it was the right thing to do.
Just because it absolves him legally doesn't mean its the right thing to do, and I don't know why its so hard for the few people defending him to understand.
It's not the legal issues it's the moral ones. He isn't being shamed for nothing.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:16 pm to Lester Earl
quote:There are only 2 options: (1) he was knowingly a part of it or (2) he knew it was being covered up and didn't do anything about it. Neither is acceptable.
If he knowingly took part in a coverup of the incident.
quote:He did, but that is another point. It hasn't been proven and he won't be prosecuted for it, but he did. It has no bearing on why he should be fired though.
The AD and VP lied to the grand jury. Joe Pa did not.
This post was edited on 11/9/11 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:16 pm to Philosoraptor
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I think we all know enough from your posts to come to the conclusion that you are a POS.
i am a POS because I think Jo Pa should be able to coach 1 more home game and then step down. And because I don't want to condemn the man without knowing more facts of his involvement in all this?
So be it. I am a piece of shite because some ranter says so. Fine.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:16 pm to Lester Earl
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t this point it wouldnt be fair to lump him in with them. Like I said, see what facts come out. Then condemn.
We aren't lumping him in with them, they are facing legal charges and have been fired.
At this point we just think Joe needs to be fired.
However the only reason Joe isn't facing legal charges is because he didn't lie in the grand jury AND he was one spot removed from being legally obligated to report it to police.
This post was edited on 11/9/11 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:17 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Just because it absolves him legally doesn't mean its the right thing to do,
that is why i said "by law" he did the right thing.
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He isn't being shamed for nothing.
he has fans cheering on his lawn, and his team gave him a standing ovation at a meeting this morning. And he is being allowed to coach out the rest of the year. So i wouldnt say he is getting totally shamed.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:18 pm to Lester Earl
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i am a POS because I think Jo Pa should be able to coach 1 more home game and then step down.
If he did the right thing why does he need to step down after one more game ?
Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:18 pm to Lester Earl
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I am a piece of shite because some ranter says so.
That's only the 1,000,000th time that's happened. Six years in this place and some things never change.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:21 pm to Tiger Ryno
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give this bull a rest. The same superiors who fired him in 94? the same superiors who forced him out earlier this week?
He is incapable of understanding how absolving himself of the responsibility of information was somehow not enough. Outside the legal, a man in his position had a moral responsibility to make sure something was done, and he didn't. If he doesn't get it now, he never will.
McQueary, Paterno and everyone who knew and didn't follow up are all at fault, all need to go. I dont see how anyone could argue against this unless they re incapable of understanding, and that in itself is disturbing.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:22 pm to Nittany Lion
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That's only the 1,000,000th time that's happened.
Sounds like a trend.
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McQueary, Paterno and everyone who knew and didn't follow up are all at fault, all need to go. I dont see how anyone could argue against this unless they re incapable of understanding, and that in itself is disturbing.
Exactly. I guess we just have some sick people on this board.
It's amazing how people take the raping of a 10 year old and who knows how many others so lightly.
This post was edited on 11/9/11 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:22 pm to Grabo
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If he did the right thing why does he need to step down after one more game ?
He did the right thing that day reporting it.
What happened after has not came out yet, he may or may not be guilty of something. It is a huge PR nightmare for the university. He has to step down because of that. Let the football players focus on football, and let him focus on defending himself in this investigation
Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:23 pm to Lester Earl
What more facts do you need. The facts in the record right now are enough to force his firing. These are facts and they are undisputed:
1. Sandusky was forced to retire for allegations of child rape in the 90's. The retirement was kept hush hush (Joe Pa of course knows the reasons)
2. Joe Paterno allowed Sandusky to still have an office in the facilty and bring kids around many many times.
3. Mcqueary tells Joe he saw Sandusky raping a kid. Joe does nothing to identify the kid after the fact or attempt to locate his parents and ensure he was safe (he's not the only one, but he is one)
4. For many many years after Joe still allows the known rapist to hang out in the football facility.
This man is a LEADER of the university. The face of Leadership and an ICON at PSU> They put a statue of him in front of the stadium. He should be held to more than the Minimum requirement of the law when it comes to protecting kids against rape. Its questionable if he even met the minimum standard of law at all in the first place but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until I learn more.
1. Sandusky was forced to retire for allegations of child rape in the 90's. The retirement was kept hush hush (Joe Pa of course knows the reasons)
2. Joe Paterno allowed Sandusky to still have an office in the facilty and bring kids around many many times.
3. Mcqueary tells Joe he saw Sandusky raping a kid. Joe does nothing to identify the kid after the fact or attempt to locate his parents and ensure he was safe (he's not the only one, but he is one)
4. For many many years after Joe still allows the known rapist to hang out in the football facility.
This man is a LEADER of the university. The face of Leadership and an ICON at PSU> They put a statue of him in front of the stadium. He should be held to more than the Minimum requirement of the law when it comes to protecting kids against rape. Its questionable if he even met the minimum standard of law at all in the first place but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until I learn more.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:29 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Students and players who have no perspective on the larger ramifications for the program and the institution. I don't consider them credible to any extent.
he has fans cheering on his lawn, and his team gave him a standing ovation at a meeting this morning.
quote:Not so fast. Paterno is the one who said he is retiring, but that does not mean he can't or won't be removed before he gets a chance to leave on his own terms.
And he is being allowed to coach out the rest of the year.
quote:Sorry, Lester, but that sounds incredibly naive. His shame is apparent in his actions and inactions, and in his statement. It's done.
So i wouldnt say he is getting totally shamed.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:30 pm to Tiger Ryno
quote:Wait ... what? Where is the source for this?
Sandusky was forced to retire for allegations of child rape in the 90's.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:31 pm to Ice Cold
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Students and players who have no perspective on the larger ramifications for the program and the institution. I don't consider them credible to any extent.
exactly. there are thousands more alums out there who feel very differently about this
Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:33 pm to Ice Cold
Its been all over the news. the reason Sandusky retired unexpectedly in the first place was the incident of him molesting another kid and the police investigation that went nowhere. Of course they kept it hush hush and said it was so he could spend more time working with his charitbable foundation for underpriviledged kids.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:33 pm to Ice Cold
quote:That isn't a fact, it is an assumption.
Wait ... what? Where is the source for this?
It is a fact that he was investigated for molestation and admitted on conversations over heard by investigators to showering with a child and horse play in the shower.
The DA decided not to bring charges (he went missing a few years ago, btw).
The next season Sandusky surprisingly retired allegedly because he was informed he wouldn't be the next HC.
Apparently, he was so distraught about not being named the HC in waiting that he completely quit coaching, but kept an office at the school as well as all access and privileges. He also retained his position in the charity that gave him access to young boys.
This post was edited on 11/9/11 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:33 pm to Ice Cold
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Students and players who have no perspective on the larger ramifications for the program and the institution. I don't consider them credible to any extent.
why dont they? This took place in their backyard. Just saying. I keep hearing people say this. One person earlier on TV was talking about their age, like they are middle school students. These are college student; grown men and women who are old enough to think for themselves.
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Not so fast. Paterno is the one who said he is retiring, but that does not mean he can't or won't be removed before he gets a chance to leave on his own terms.
he should be removed or step down.
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Sorry, Lester, but that sounds incredibly naive. His shame is apparent in his actions and inactions, and in his statement. It's done.
I was talking about the public, specifically people in that town as well as his own players
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