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re: Joe Paterno will retire at the end of the season per AP
Posted on 11/9/11 at 12:34 pm to Broseph Barksdale
Posted on 11/9/11 at 12:34 pm to Broseph Barksdale
McQueary is more culpable than Paterno IMO. He saw it firsthand, refused to intervene, refused to rescue a child, refused to contact authorities and refused to inform anyone but his father about what he saw for an entire day. How did he sleep that night?!?
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Posted on 11/9/11 at 12:35 pm to Bubba Hotep
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So if you were the manager of a business and one of your employees told you they saw a former employee anally raping a child in the bathroom, you would just call your boss and that would be the end of it?
as I have been saying for days, yes, this is totally acceptable. So is calling the cops. I don't see either as "doing the wrong thing".
Joe Pa only did "the wrong thing" in everyone's mind because it kept going on. You probably would have applauded him at the time.
It's all allegations if you hear it 2nd hand. It's not your job to go on a crusade if you are not in position to do that.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 12:36 pm to Lester Earl
quote:So what he did was bad enough to get him fired, but only after 1 more game? There is nothing rational about that.
i think he should be able to coach 1 more game, then step down.
quote:You also know he never followed up and has admitted he should have done more. Which is not much of an admission since it is completely obvious.
With the facts that are out there, he did the right thing going to his superiors with it. That's all I could go on right now.
quote:Clear enough to fire him. Not clear enough to hold him criminally liable.
The facts in this case surrounding what Paterno did/didn't do are not clear at this point.
This post was edited on 11/9/11 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 11/9/11 at 12:36 pm to Bubba Hotep
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So if you were the manager of a business and one of your employees told you they saw a former employee anally raping a child in the bathroom, you would just call your boss and that would be the end of it?
Then, when you continually saw the former employee walking around your office, with kids, you would have no problem with it?
It appears that they think you did what you were suppose to do at that point. For those that beleive this, I sure hope for the sake of your kids they have better people then they are watching out for their kids.
Anyone who defends him not going straight to the cops has no concept of how messed up these kids will be for the rest of ther life and the pain and trauma they will walk with every day. I hope you or none of your kids ever have to deal with that.
This post was edited on 11/9/11 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 11/9/11 at 12:36 pm to Lester Earl
They could not be any clearer. He admitted under oath that he knew. I don't understand your angle. He testified that he was told by an eyewitness, who just so happens to be a lifelong acquaintance and trusted employee.
Only the most naive person would assume that he thought McQueary was lying, yet promoted him to being his right-hand man.
Only the most naive person would assume that he thought McQueary was lying, yet promoted him to being his right-hand man.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 12:36 pm to Rickety Cricket
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With the facts that are out there, he did the right thing going to his superiors with it. That's all I could go on right now. I dont think he should be fired immediately. i think he should be able to coach 1 more game, then step down. The facts in this case surrounding what Paterno did/didn't do are not clear at this point. That alone buys him some time.
He did the right thing, but he still needs to step down after the next game ?
Posted on 11/9/11 at 12:37 pm to Lester Earl
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With the facts that are out there, he did the right thing going to his superiors with it. That's all I could go on right now.
This is how you, or anyone else should handle it? Honestly, if you see someone committing a crime, or hear of someone committing a crime on your grounds would going to your supervisor be the only way to handle this?
I don't blame JoPa for doing this and I don't think anyone else does either, what he is blamed for is ONLY doing that, which he himself has stated he probably didn't do enough. Which is the understatement of the year, apparently. Abusing a child is much different than watching someone lift a $10 from the till.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 12:37 pm to Nittany Lion
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If he did I would think he would've testified to that. It wouldn't make sense to me that he would admit knowing about the 2002 incident and not the 1998 incident. The 1998 incident was reported to authorities and investigated anyways right? Isn't that the disconnect with the DA that's now dead?
I find it very difficult to believe that Paterno didn't know his then long-time defensive coordinator and friend was being investigated for messing around with kids.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 12:37 pm to thequad
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Paterno contacted administration and brought the story to them.
Now you want to villify Paterno because you don't like the way his bosses handled it???? Ridiculous.
I know lots of high school teachers. When they write a kid up, they send them to the office. If they haven't heard anything by the end of the day from the assistant principal, they make a point to go and see the asst. principal to ask what happened with the kid that was sent to the office. It's called a follow up. Joe Pa apparently sent word to his AD that a pedophile was roaming the Penn State facilities. Joe Pa saw this pedophile using Penn State facilities many times after the incident was reported, yet he never bothered to find out what his superiors found out?
On a second note, has anybody noticed that an 84 year old man has remained as head coach of a prominent football program long after he had any useful input in the football operations? Me thinks that Joe Pa has no superiors at Penn State University.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 12:38 pm to WDE24
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So we are allowed to assume facts that attempt to absolve Paterno, but not rationally assume that he almost certainly knew of much more than he has admitted to?
I am not assuming any facts. I am just saying it is just as easy to say that could have happened as it is to say that he was part of a cover up.
The facts aren't out on what went on behind closed doors and what was said by each side.. It's neutral at this point. But if you can suspect that it was a cover, I can just as easily suspect something else. It's not that hard to understand.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 12:38 pm to TigerintheNO
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-McQueary's sees the act and does nothing to stop it
-after talking with father they go see Joe Pa the next day but,
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-then sees this guy working with kids for the next 10 years and says or does nothing
Perhaps there was some Qui Pro Quo involved. He agrees to STFU, in return for promotion?
Posted on 11/9/11 at 12:39 pm to ZZTIGERS
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Perhaps there was some Qui Pro Quo involved. He agrees to STFU, in return for promotion?
I mentioned it yesterday. I wonder how that rape victim feels when he sees Penn State on TV with McQueary on the sideline. It's disgusting.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 12:40 pm to Lester Earl
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as I have been saying for days, yes, this is totally acceptable. So is calling the cops. I don't see either as "doing the wrong thing".
Wow. I don't need to argue with you anymore, about anything, as your moral compass is broken.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 12:40 pm to Lester Earl
quote:You need to work on the rationality and contextualizing you say you find so easy.
But if you can suspect that it was a cover, I can just as easily suspect something else. It's not that hard to understand.
I have said many times that the facts as Paterno has admitted to are solely what I am basing my opinion on that he should be fired immediately. No assuming anything.
I think he is much more culpable than that based on reasonable assumptions, but I don't think any decisions right now should be based on those assumptions.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 12:41 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Honestly, if you see someone committing a crime, or hear of someone committing a crime on your grounds would going to your supervisor be the only way to handle this?
I didn't say that is the only way to handle it.
I said you can do one of 2 things that would be deemed acceptable.
That is one of them. The other is call the cops.
As I said, it only looks like he made the wrong decision because of what has came up 10 years later.
the district attorney has already said that what he did was by law the right thing to do.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 12:42 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Are you fricking kidding me? It was wrong to begin with. We only know about because of what came up 10 years later.
As I said, it only looks like he made the wrong decision because of what has came up 10 years later.
This post was edited on 11/9/11 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 11/9/11 at 12:42 pm to Rickety Cricket
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Perhaps there was some Qui Pro Quo involved. He agrees to STFU, in return for promotion?
I mentioned it yesterday. I wonder how that rape victim feels when he sees Penn State on TV with McQueary on the sideline. It's disgusting.
The sickness they will feel this weekend if they know that people who could have stepped in and stopped it from happening to others in the future are still on the sidelines, wow
Posted on 11/9/11 at 12:43 pm to Lester Earl
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. i think he should be able to coach 1 more game, then step down.
so he can beat the record of most games coached?
wow, you're a piece of shite.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 12:44 pm to WDE24
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Are you fricking kidding me? It was wrong to begin with.
how is going to your superiors about something like this wrong?
What happened afterwards was wrong. Telling them about what happened is not wrong. And it only seems like a horrible decision because of what is now coming out. It's amazing people cannot see this.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 12:45 pm to Rickety Cricket
Your colleague comes to you and says, "I just witnessed <our other colleague> raping a young boy".
What would you do? Seriously.
That colleague goes on for years and rapes other boys.
It's really "odd" how Paterno gets his all-time winning record, then everything comes out in the open.
This is all sickening.
What would you do? Seriously.
That colleague goes on for years and rapes other boys.
It's really "odd" how Paterno gets his all-time winning record, then everything comes out in the open.
This is all sickening.
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