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re: James Harden just keeps going. Scored 57 points tonight.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:51 am to PrimeTime Money
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:51 am to PrimeTime Money
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Here are his points over the past 19 games:
57
38
43
42
32
38
44
43
41
45
41
39
35
35
47
32
50
29
35
Over that span he's averaging more than 40 ppg, 9 ast, and 7 reb.
That is some greats scoring. What is his shooting percentage during this stretch?
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Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:52 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
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This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 9:54 am
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:54 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:James Harden this year has been fouled on 16.9% of his shot attempts.
That's pure insanity.
I know Rockets fans find it hilarious that so many of us hate this. And I don't blame them for having fun with it.
But it's insane. And I find it extremely hard to believe that they can't at least budge a little bit on how ridiculous it is.
LeBron James has been fouled on 16.6% of his shot attempts.
You’re always going on about how Harden gets fouled so much and LeBron can’t get a call.
How do you explain those numbers?
Oh, and there are other star players that get fouled more often on shots than Harden, such as Giannis: 22.3% of his shots, Embiid 18.4%, and others with percentages similar to Harden like AD, Butler, Kawhi, Griffin, etc all with percentages in the 15’s.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:54 am to PrimeTime Money
His efficiency is inflated because of him getting to the free throw line.
He's 53rd in effective field goal % which takes out Free throws. I'll give it to him, he's good at getting to the line and making the FT once he gets there.
He's 53rd in effective field goal % which takes out Free throws. I'll give it to him, he's good at getting to the line and making the FT once he gets there.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:55 am to PrimeTime Money
The way Harden is officiated makes true shooting percentage a bullshite stat for him, imo.
If I had to guess, I'd say Harden's true shooting percentage is inflated between 2 and 4 percentage points.
Also, from game to game, and regular season to post season, officiating changes. There are absolutely moments/games where Hardwn's shooting percentage hold a greater weight than his true shooting percentage.
If I had to guess, I'd say Harden's true shooting percentage is inflated between 2 and 4 percentage points.
Also, from game to game, and regular season to post season, officiating changes. There are absolutely moments/games where Hardwn's shooting percentage hold a greater weight than his true shooting percentage.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:56 am to Muahahaha
quote:63% TS%. Extremely efficient.
That is some greats scoring. What is his shooting percentage during this stretch?
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:57 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:By telling you, again, that Lebron gets fouled WAY more than that and Harden doesn't get fouled as much.
How do you explain those numbers?
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:57 am to nugget
quote:You can’t just remove the shot attempts where he gets fouled. What kind of ridiculousness is that?
His efficiency is inflated because of him getting to the free throw line. He's 53rd in effective field goal % which takes out Free throws. I'll give it to him, he's good at getting to the line and making the FT once he gets there
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:58 am to PrimeTime Money
You can if you truly don't believe that he should be shooting those free throws.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:01 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:
You can’t just remove the shot attempts where he gets fouled. What kind of ridiculousness is that
So a stat showing how efficient someone is FROM THE FIELD is ridiculous? You throw out field goal % and effective field goal % because they're not inflated by him getting to the line. At least you're not a homer.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:04 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:So why do you think he gets free throws?
You can if you truly don't believe that he should be shooting those free throws.
Is it a conspiracy with the NBA referees to call phantom foul calls for him exclusively and no other player in the league is allowed?
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:04 am to ReauxlTide222
Most of them are legit, a handful our phantom.
1 or 2 bad calls a game, which most stars get, amounts to a shite load of bad calls a season which the MSB just can’t get past.
He is elite a getting people in bad spots and playing to contact. I wish he did it less because he leans on it too much in the playoffs while he is cold
1 or 2 bad calls a game, which most stars get, amounts to a shite load of bad calls a season which the MSB just can’t get past.
He is elite a getting people in bad spots and playing to contact. I wish he did it less because he leans on it too much in the playoffs while he is cold
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 10:05 am
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:07 am to Dire Wolf
It’s because there’s no one else with the combo of handles, balance, iq, strength, etc. his opposition has not seen anyone like him. that’s why they foul him. Bc they can’t stop him. Because he is too good. the fouls like you said are 90% legit. He gets some bad calls to benefit him. All players do. He also gets fouled sometimes and they don’t call it.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:08 am to nugget
MSB - "Hardne is only this elite because of his free throws."
Rockets fan - "NOT UHH!"
MSB - "Well his shooting percentage isn't super elite and he's 53rd in eFG%."
Rockets fan - "YEAH BUT FREE THROWS!"
What it boils down to is Harden has choked and choked and choked in the playoffs. The ring/career eye test isn't kind to Harden, at all. These massive regular season games and massive free throw numbers are highlighted with true shooting %. So Rockets fans love the stat.
Rockets fan - "NOT UHH!"
MSB - "Well his shooting percentage isn't super elite and he's 53rd in eFG%."
Rockets fan - "YEAH BUT FREE THROWS!"
What it boils down to is Harden has choked and choked and choked in the playoffs. The ring/career eye test isn't kind to Harden, at all. These massive regular season games and massive free throw numbers are highlighted with true shooting %. So Rockets fans love the stat.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:09 am to nugget
quote:No, you dismiss getting to the line like it isn’t a legitimate part of a basketball game.
So a stat showing how efficient someone is FROM THE FIELD is ridiculous? You throw out field goal % and effective field goal % because they're not inflated by him getting to the line. At least you're not a homer.
You can’t just eliminate the shot attempts a player takes where they get fouled. Those count.
But regardless, the reason why Harden’s other percentages aren’t as high as some other players is because he shots a high volume of his shots from 3. He doesn’t take many mid-range shots. So if he’s taking a large percentage of his shots from 3 (which by nature is a lower percentage shot even if you’re elite at it), and at the rim (a large percentage of which fouls are called and thus are eliminated from FGA) it’s easy to see why FG% and eFG% may not be as high as others who have a more varied shot selection.
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 10:11 am
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:15 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:
he shots a high volume of his shots from 3
Well then you'd think he could hit 40% from 3 one year. Harden averages 52% from 2 over the last 3 years. For example, Lebron has been averaging around 60% over the last 3 years and KD around 57%.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:28 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:I was really hoping nobody ever asked me this, because you're going to think I'm insane
So why do you think he gets free throws?
But here goes..
Listening to interviews with refs(and watching them), it sounds like they use his game to somehow feel and show that they're superior basketball minds than us normal folk.
Everything Harden does is so incredibly calculated and technical. Making calls for or against him can really highlight exactly how good you are as a ref. Add to that these ego driven refs have caught shite for how they officiate Harden for years. It looks like these guys are HYPER aware of Harden's defender and his actions AT ALL TIMES now.
So a guy like Lebron drives and if he isn't hacked hard af(and let's be real. That mfer is knocked in the head, grabbed all over his damn body, and hacked hard af right on his forearms all the time with no calls) he isn't getting the call.
Where as Harden is basically playing a different game at this point. And that point is if you touch James Harden while not in perfect position, or you reach and slightly touch him, it's automatic free throws.
It's like Harden gets literally perfect and by the book calls every single night while others the typical inconsistent nobody knows what's going on NBA officiating from night to night.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:31 am to Dire Wolf
quote:I don't prescribe to this phantom call all the time notion that some do here.
Most of them are legit, a handful our phantom.
They do probably happen more for Harden, though.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:34 am to Flanders
quote:
Why is Harden allowed to use his forearm to push off defenders and then step back without an offensive foul being called?
One of the most iconic shots in history...
And the arm isnt as much pushing as it is a feeler for where the defender is...most commonly seen in post ups. When you're not facing the guy straight you need a sense where he is relative to your position without looking straight at him. Harden gets away with push offs at times, but no more than any other player in the league.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:41 am to tiggerthetooth
quote:
Yep, so easy despite the fact that no one else does it. Wonder why that is.
Don't watch NBA but do they call a foul each time he misses a three?
I remember Karl Malone saying, the first thing a rookie needs to learn, if he gets within three feet of Magic Johnson, the refs re going to call a foul.
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