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re: It Blows my mind that KJon Carter was the last RB taken #1 overall in the draft.
Posted on 4/9/16 at 1:00 am to dukke v
Posted on 4/9/16 at 1:00 am to dukke v
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Not sure if it gets to 95 Nebraska territory though
95 nebraska and 05 usc averaged 50 points per game. the difference was defensively. nebraska gave up like 13 ppg and usc was around 22. USC 05 defense was around 40th in the country.
01 miami's defense gave up around 9ppg and the offense scored around 42.
05 usc's offense got no help from the d all year, not just the texas game, but against fresno state, notre dame, arizona state, etc. 05 texas had a top 5 defense, yet usc put up 575 yards and 38 points on them.
if that 05 usc team had any other usc defense from 2002-2008 they smoke texas in the rose bowl and go down as the goat.
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Posted on 4/9/16 at 1:03 am to theducks
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All of those RBs were awesome
there are multiple college running backs every year that are awesome.
Posted on 4/9/16 at 1:12 am to vengeanceofrain
vengeanceofrain = dumb, just dumb
Posted on 4/9/16 at 1:20 am to vengeanceofrain
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This post was edited on 4/9/16 at 6:44 am
Posted on 4/9/16 at 1:24 am to 632627
Ok I'll give ya that. Put that 2008 defense on the 2005 team very possible to be near the top of GOAT.
Posted on 4/9/16 at 1:47 am to 632627
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here is the craziest thing about 05 usc.... they were top 5 in rushing and passing that season. i don't know if any team in modern history has ever been close to that. even the ridiculous baylor teams of the last few years haven't come been close.
Actually the craziest thing is they literally had zero wins that season after doing all of that, plus Vince Young by himself was better than their entire team!
Posted on 4/9/16 at 2:27 am to 632627
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there are multiple college running backs every year that are awesome.
Yep, Reggie is one of them. Reggie was a better playmaker, but those guys were better runners. If Reggie was this once in a lifetime player, he'd have had more success.
Posted on 4/9/16 at 2:54 am to dukke v
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[u]MO the best usc team ever was 1972.
Well it's debatable, but the goat announcer knows more about than us...Keith always said it was the best team he ever saw.
Posted on 4/9/16 at 11:09 am to theducks
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Yep, Reggie is one of them. Reggie was a better playmaker, but those guys were better runners. If Reggie was this once in a lifetime player, he'd have had more success.
false. first of all, find me someone that averaged more than 8.7 yards per carry over an entire season. secondly, if by success, you must not mean college success, since there isn't much more busch could have achieved in college. if you mean nfl success, reggie has had arguably a better career than McFadden. Bush has played 9 seasons in the nfl, for running backs thats a major accomplishment these days.
Posted on 4/9/16 at 11:14 am to 632627
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first of all, find me someone that averaged more than 8.7 yards per carry over an entire season.
Felix Jones
so i guess he is better than Bush?
McFadden> bush
AP > bush
Ricky Williams > Bush
Gurley> Bush
Elliott > Bush
Posted on 4/9/16 at 11:19 am to montanagator
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I'd put RB behind QB, T, DE, DB (a lock down corner), WR and possibly even LB.
The Bell curve for a RB is a lot flatter than for the other ones, so the dropoff to the alternative that will probably be available in the next round isn't as much.
Posted on 4/9/16 at 11:28 am to Lester Earl
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Felix Jones
so i guess he is better than Bush?
jones averaged the same ypc. bush also had 900 more yards from scrimmage in his season than jones did. both players split time with other great backs.
not one guy u mentioned was a better college football player than reggie bush. you might as well throw ron dayne on your list.
I've seen 2 running backs in college the last 20-25 years that were just flat out better than anyone else, bush and Adrian Peterson. If you want to tell me Peterson was a better pure running back I'll buy that argument. But bush was the better overall college football player and had a much more successful college career.
This post was edited on 4/9/16 at 11:38 am
Posted on 4/9/16 at 1:01 pm to vengeanceofrain
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Yet one was the first pick in the draft, and the other was the sexond. Generally the first pick, is better than the second one.
When i see comments like this, i hesitate on commenting because I'm not sure if you are just trolling (likely) and trying to get a rise out of people or if you are really this obtuse.
You do of course realize they were taken in different drafts, 11 years apart? Applying this logic, that a player picked #1 in one draft is "better" than a guy picked 2nd in a different draft, you must believe that Kwame Brown was better than Kevin Durant and for that matter Michael Jordan. Also your little "mic drop" point ignores other factors, like in the case of Bush part of the reason he went #2 and not #1 was because the team that had the #1 pick wanted to sign their pick before the draft and he declined their offer and Mario Williams accepted it. Let's also not forget that the selection of Williams over Bush was WIDELY viewed as a colossal frick up. Nearly everyone blasted the Texans not just around the draft but well into the next season. Al Michaels even commented about it on SNF in December when Bush went wild vs the Cowboys.
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Ki-Jana was bigger, faster and avged more per carry
Carter was listed at 5'10" 227. From what i could find quickly he ran a 4.4 40 at the combine. Bush is listed at 6' 205 and ran a 4.33 at his pro day.
As for the avg per carry like the old saying goes, you are entitled to your own opinion, but not your facts. You are simply wrong. I posted the link to their college stats above. Bush had more carries, more yards and a higher YPC. Carter had more rushing TDs and Bush had more total TDs.
Here is their career line:
Att Yds Tds YPC Rec Yds Tds Total yds total Tds
Carter 395 2829 34 7.2 20 172 0 3001 34
Bush 433 3169 25 7.3 95 1301 13 4470 38
This post was edited on 4/9/16 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 4/9/16 at 1:06 pm to 632627
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not one guy u mentioned was a better college football player than reggie bush
im all for loving my favorite team's players...but jesus... ok man... ok
Posted on 4/9/16 at 1:10 pm to dukke v
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Put that 2008 defense on the 2005 team very possible to be near the top of GOAT
Near the top?
That would be the greatest team of all time and that's not hyperbole... GOAT offense with top 5 D of the modern era? Are you kidding? Damn that team would average 60 and give up 6...against the good teams.
This post was edited on 4/9/16 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 4/9/16 at 1:12 pm to Lester Earl
Kijana was awesome in college, truly an all-around pro back, shame his knee.
Posted on 4/9/16 at 1:15 pm to 632627
I renember watching that era and games and it seened Reggie saved USCs butt in about 3 games each year...in his career...but not for him going PlayStation, USC doesn't have that record win streak....that's how valuable he was even among a team of stars.
Posted on 4/9/16 at 1:15 pm to dukke v
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It is a bit surprising that it's been that long that a back hasn't been #1
ah, not really. The last RB to go #1 before Carter was Bo Jackson in 1986. Rules have changed that emphasize the passing game, so QBs are at a premium and free agency, which was still in early stages in 95 taught us that after QB's pass rushers and hence LTs where more valuable, that's why since Carter and Keyshawn the #1 picks have all be in 1 of those 3 positions.
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Gourmet the can run for 2,000 yards and win the heisman and probably not be in the top 5. It's just the way it is.
I'm assuming that you meant Fournette and got auto corrected
I observed to my friends that I've used the wore Fournette in text so much that it shows up as one of my 3 choices when I type Four on my phone. Any way, it all depends on who has the top 5 picks in next years draft, what other players especially from the big 3 positions (QB, DE/OLB, LT) are out there. Right now, without the 2016 seasons, guys like D Watson, Miles Garrett and Cam Robinson could be top 5 guys, but I could see Fournette going there. Richardson went #3, Bush #2, hell Ghurley went #10 despite having a knee injury in November before the draft.
Posted on 4/9/16 at 1:16 pm to 632627
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ones averaged the same ypc. bush also had 900 more yards from scrimmage in his season than jones did. both players split time with other great backs.
Keep moving goal posts bud
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not one guy u mentioned was a better college football player than reggie bush. you might as well throw ron dayne on your list.
All of those RBs listed I'd take over Bush too. I'd rather a guy that can carry my team. Bush is a fine college football player, but he was a gadget player. Deanthony Thomas was a like a poor man's Reggie at UO. I'd have taken Barner, James, Blount, and Royce Freeman over DAT.
Bush was special, but those teams were LOADED! DAT would've had 8 ypc too there.
Posted on 4/9/16 at 1:19 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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I still can't reconcile the politics of the 1994 season...Dr. Tom said he was going to retire mid-season...PSU was #1 and then NU jumped them and PSU didn't even get a share...
I don't recall Osborne saying he was going to retire, I'll take your word for it, but i doubt that had as much impact on the MNC. It did in 97 when they split with Michigan.
What people always forget in 94 when talking about how PSU got jumped in mid season is that they were #1 by plurality. Nebraska and Colorado were #2 and #3 and combined had more first place votes. Nebraska moved the #1 the week after they beat Colorado 21-7. All the talk about PSU falling because they let off the gas vs Indiana completely ignores this important fact. It is reasonable to assume that more of the voters that had Colorado #1 changed their vote to Nebraska. Without seeing the week to week ballots, it is hard to know for sure, but it is also possible many had NU and CU 1 and 2 before that game.
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truly an all-around pro back,
he had 20 catches in 3 years and no rec TDs, how is that "all around"
This post was edited on 4/9/16 at 1:28 pm
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