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re: Is Serena Williams on PEDs?
Posted on 7/12/15 at 9:45 am to Socratics
Posted on 7/12/15 at 9:45 am to Socratics
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She gets tested more than her female peers and still dominates. Quit Hating
Means nothing. Unless it's random 24/7 365 blood and urine testing then every athlete is suspicious. Most of these high profile athletes know when they're being tested and they have the right "strength and conditioning" team to inform them of when to cycle off their PEDs, HGH, roids, etc. in order to show a clean test.
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Posted on 7/12/15 at 10:22 am to pennypacker3
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Because those that do are the ones we label as cheats. That's why we're having this discussion. Is it fair to the athlete that trains and plays fair only to get Fricked by someone playing outside the rules and also with their own health. You decide for yourself what's right...I think I already know what you'll choose...
Is it fair to label someone as a cheat with absolutely zero proof?
That's ironic how the same type of people that create threads like this in good conscience also are the same ones that lambast ESPN for their type of journalism. This thread is a joke, people are attempting to have a serious conversation based on nothing other than they WANT her to be on PEDs. People just don't like her (which is well documented on this board) and would rather she not be as good as she is, so she must be doing something wrong.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 11:27 am to Goldrush25
Your statements are very fair and the points are valid. I personally don't have anything against Serena but tennis as a sport has long been rumored to have doping issue. Again, just because tennis is catching the occasional "small fish", doesn't mean they really want to catch their top players and have a huge doping scandal. The sponsorship monies are great and they're not wanting to interup that revenue stream. Cycling covered up for cheats a long time because of the money and it hurt the sport longterm for short term gain. On top of that, the dopers always seem to be ahead of the testing.
Btw...I think she is a tremendous talent and have no idea if she is or isn't clean.
Btw...I think she is a tremendous talent and have no idea if she is or isn't clean.
This post was edited on 7/12/15 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 7/12/15 at 11:29 am to Marciano1
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Means nothing. Unless it's random 24/7 365 blood and urine testing then every athlete is suspicious. Most of these high profile athletes know when they're being tested and they have the right "strength and conditioning" team to inform them of when to cycle off their PEDs, HGH, roids, etc. in order to show a clean test.
Their is a decent number of players who tested positive over the years in tennis. I will admit the majority of those players sucked arse or were taking drugs for recreational use.
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The elders are not always wiser than their offspring. Even before the term "doping" emerged in the sports vocabulary, some great names were already using prohibited substances, or soon to become. A slight difference proving to be of importance in terms of legislation - as Svetlana Kuznetsova experienced it in 2004, when she was tested positive to ephedrine... however during an exhibition match in Belgium so outside the professional tour. Phew! That same year, John McEnroe in person threw a cat among the pigeons by announcing he had used steroids during his career. But the first doping case ever recorded goes back to the long gone hours of amateur tennis: the Spaniard Andres Gimeno acknowledged receiving testosterone injections in 1959!
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he « recreational» ones Richard Gasquet (2009) and Martina Hingis (2007) haven't invented anything: in the spring of 1995, Mats Wilander and Karel Novacek were tested positive for cocaine while they were playing the double at Roland Garros together. The Swedish legend, seven Grand Slam titles to his name but in the twilight of his career, claimed the "recreational" use of the product in question, rather than any desire to improve its performance. In any case, he chose to end his career a few months later. Same story for Andre Agassi, tested positive for methamphetamine in 1997: the American wrote a letter of apology to the ATP where he explained his self-loathing at the time and saw the organization forget about it in a surprising display of compassion.
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The 2013 season saw the comeback of the doping topic during the tour on clay. It was first the Serbian Viktor Troicki, former world 12th, who was sentenced to an 18-month suspension due to his refusal to submit to a blood test at the Monte Carlo tournament. Two weeks later, in Munich, the Croatian Marin Cilic, former World 9th, was tested positive for nikethamide, a respiratory stimulant, and was therefore suspended for nine months. Like all his predecessors, he invoked "an accident" and promised that he will "be careful next time."
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LONDON (AP) American tennis player Wayne Odesnik was banned Wednesday for 15 years after a second doping violation, a sanction that essentially ends his career and was widely applauded by several top players. The International Tennis Federation said the 29-year-old Odesnik tested positive for several banned substances, including steroids, during tests in December and January. The ban was back-dated to Jan. 30 and will run until Jan. 29, 2030.
Serena Williams on out of contest doping.
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"They are always at my house. It doesn't matter if I am in Paris or [the United States]. I was literally in Mauritius and they were there - and, you know, Mauritius is really far, let me tell you. So, I guess they spend all the money on tickets to come where I travel ...
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All the ATP’s Top 10 players were tested 7 plus times at home and at least 4 times at events.
A lower ranked player like David Goffin was tested 1-3 times during tournaments but was never tested at home.
Also, there are multiple agencies who do random drug testing.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 2:24 pm to lsupride87
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From what I hear it isnt.
You've talked to someone who has hit it and they took the time to go into detail with you?
Posted on 7/12/15 at 3:20 pm to Socratics
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Serena Williams on out of contest doping.
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"They are always at my house. It doesn't matter if I am in Paris or [the United States]. I was literally in Mauritius and they were there - and, you know, Mauritius is really far, let me tell you. So, I guess they spend all the money on tickets to come where I travel ...
Is this 365 days a year? Is this RANDOM testing? If both answers are not YES then I'm still suspicious. Athletes can take PEDs in the offseason and then walk around clean while they are actively playing their sport.
Also, a female tennis player having a resurgence and dominating in her mid 30s is no different than Bernard Hopkins winning boxing titles at 49 or Adrian Peterson running for 2,000 yards a year after shattering his knee. It's just not normal .
Posted on 7/12/15 at 3:23 pm to SEClint
I know multiple people and they have nothing but positive memories 
Posted on 7/12/15 at 3:24 pm to Marciano1
When is the offseason in tennis exactly?
Posted on 7/12/15 at 3:42 pm to Goldrush25
quote:I don't speak for everyone, but it's not like I would hold PED use against her. Gun to my head, I'd say she uses....something. I don't really care though. It doesn't change how amazing I think she is.
Is it fair to label someone as a cheat with absolutely zero proof?
I don't really like her though. It's not to the point that I root against her, but I don't like her.
This post was edited on 7/13/15 at 3:40 am
Posted on 7/12/15 at 3:53 pm to lsupride87
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When is the offseason in tennis exactly?
I believe November, December, early January. Not 100% though.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 8:11 pm to Marciano1
Dude you really have a hard on for proving your made up charges. I know its hard for a lot of arm chair QBs to imagine but, there are people who actually work really hard, and are naturally born with talent, and they are better than you and other opponents. OMG brah she has muscle- roidz! Dude she is really really good- cheater! People who only watch sports to tear down the athletes are really sad
This post was edited on 7/12/15 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 7/12/15 at 8:14 pm to ManBearTiger
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I'd bet her clit is so engorged it's bigger than most guys' wangs.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 8:14 pm to lsupride87
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PEDs is performance enhancing drugs. Blood doping isn't a drug. The word on the tour is the top guys are all doing something along the blood doping lines.
Huh?
Posted on 7/12/15 at 8:14 pm to Marciano1
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I believe November, December, early January. Not 100% though.
December
Posted on 7/12/15 at 8:18 pm to lsupride87
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And here is post "injury" Nadal
Which injury? The first pic is from like 2005.
It also looks shopped.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 8:21 pm to LanierSpots
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Is Tiger Woods a playboy?
??
Posted on 7/12/15 at 8:23 pm to Taurus
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For the "I don't care if they dope" crowd... honesty, integrity, sportsmanship means alot. To have Armstrong, Clemens, Palmero, Bonds, etc cheat the sport for records and longevity while angrily denying it is coward
Terrible posting means alot to me. Please stop.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 9:13 pm to redbullwings
It'd be racist to test her
Posted on 7/12/15 at 9:21 pm to ReauxlTide222
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I don't speak for everyone, but it's not like a hold or would hold PED use against her. Gun to my head, I'd say she uses....something. I don't really care though. It doesn't change how amazing I think she is.
Honestly, I've never suspected her. At her age, she would be showing significant signs, imo.
She's always been jacked, even as a kid.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 3:37 am to shel311
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Damn, crazy stuff.
I'd stick with HGH lol.
Yeah, but HGH is probably counterproductive to a cyclist- more mass means you have to carry more. Cycling is just so different than all of the other sports in terms of doping, I mean elite athletes have tried to dope/cheat basically since sports began and chemically its been serious since at least the 50s (comical before then)- using amphetimines in baseball, steroids in East German Olympic programs, etc. but cycling took it to a whole other level-- like basically every team, not rider but team cheated for decades and frankly probably still are in some way we can't test for and its all because the most elite event in the sport is just too fricking hard not to seek an edge at.
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