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re: Is Nolan Arenado a top 5 player?
Posted on 8/11/16 at 11:56 am to BernardCastle
Posted on 8/11/16 at 11:56 am to BernardCastle
Top 5 is lofty, but I could see the argument
I think these 3 are pretty locked in right now:
Trout
Kershaw
Donaldson
Harper is having a down season, but I'd still put him in there TBH. But I could see the argument for the 5 spot. It's just really hard to evaluate because he does play half his games in Coors.
I think these 3 are pretty locked in right now:
Trout
Kershaw
Donaldson
Harper is having a down season, but I'd still put him in there TBH. But I could see the argument for the 5 spot. It's just really hard to evaluate because he does play half his games in Coors.
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 12:01 pm to DallasTiger45
Top 5 is too rich for me. He is a great player, but Coors definitely inflates his numbers.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 12:34 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Rizzo
Posted on 8/11/16 at 12:38 pm to The Seaward
yea at coors he hits .321/.398/.674 .353 ISO 147 wRC+
and away he hits .245/.313/.455 .209 ISO 101 wRC+
and away he hits .245/.313/.455 .209 ISO 101 wRC+
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:00 pm to WestCoastAg
Damn that's a stark contrast! One of the reasons why I was skeptical about any team who would have given up significant assets at the deadline for CarGo if they had dealt him
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:03 pm to BernardCastle
his power is still playing on the road, but like a lot of players, they have contrasts in their home/away splits.
kris bryant, correa, lindor. for example
kris bryant, correa, lindor. for example
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:07 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:
yea at coors he hits .321/.398/.674 .353 ISO 147 wRC+
and away he hits .245/.313/.455 .209 ISO 101 wRC+
I get why people use these numbers, but SOMEONE has to play at Coors field lol. Everyone on here makes it seem like the Colorado players have a say in how the ball flies up there.
Is he supposed to be apologetic for being drafted there? If he plays his entire career in Colorado it won't matter.
He's a damn good player.
This post was edited on 8/11/16 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:09 pm to McCaigBro69
I think they were talking about Donaldson being top 3 at the moment not going forward. Similar to Miggy Cabrera at the moment
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:09 pm to BernardCastle
quote:
I think they were talking about Donaldson being top 3 at the moment
Yes, I believe you're right. I thought we were still discussing like if you had to draft someone
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:21 pm to McCaigBro69
quote:
I get why people use these numbers, but SOMEONE has to play at Coors field lol. Everyone on here makes it seem like the Colorado players have a say in how the ball flies up there.
Is he supposed to be apologetic for being drafted there? If he plays his entire career in Colorado it won't matter.
He's a damn good player.
He is an excellent ball player, but it is a stone cold fact that Coors inflates your numbers at the plate. We have years and years of data confirming this.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:26 pm to DallasTiger45
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He is an excellent ball player, but it is a stone cold fact that Coors inflates your numbers at the plate. We have years and years of data confirming this.
Yes I know this, but like I said he didn't have a say in where he was drafted. I find it completely unfair to penalize a player for that.
There is a very big group of players who hit better home/away.
Hell, Jose Altuve is hitting .429 on the road and .304 at home thus far this year.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:28 pm to McCaigBro69
quote:and no one is saying otherwise. and yes, people generally perform better at home than they do on the road. but i will always be skeptical of calling someone a top 5 player in baseball if they play for the rockies because coors inflates your offensive stats. it just does
He's a damn good player.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:12 pm to McCaigBro69
quote:
Yes I know this, but like I said he didn't have a say in where he was drafted. I find it completely unfair to penalize a player for that.
There is a very big group of players who hit better home/away.
Hell, Jose Altuve is hitting .429 on the road and .304 at home thus far this year.
Nobody is penalizing him. If he was putting up way better stats than everyone, people would say he's the best player in the game. But you have to discount the hitting stats some when he gets to hit at Coors for 81 games and Trout hits in a pitcher's park for 81.
What do you suggest we do? Ignore the fact he has a huge advantage due to the team he plays for?
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:18 pm to WestCoastAg
Seager wasn't the best rookie shortstop in the NL this season. How does he make the top 10?
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:19 pm to PairofDucks
quote:
Seager wasn't the best rookie shortstop in the NL this season.
Lol
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:25 pm to PairofDucks
im interested in this one. but youre right, he hasnt just been the best rookie NL shortstop. hes been the best NL shortstop period
This post was edited on 8/11/16 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:31 pm to WestCoastAg
Story's production is aided by Coors Field, but Seager does not have the same glove. Other than the most regarded of Dodgers fans, everyone knows that he's a much better fit at third.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:38 pm to PairofDucks
quote:then why does seager have a better UZR, fangraphs defensive rating, and more defensive runs saved?
but Seager does not have the same glove.
defensive metrics may be unreliable but across the board they think seager has been the better player in the field and hes also been the better player at the plate
quote:he may eventually move over to third. but i dont see what that has to do with the fact that he has been really good at short this year
Other than the most regarded of Dodgers fans, everyone knows that he's a much better fit at third.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:39 pm to PairofDucks
Story's home/road splits are awful, worse than Arenado.
Would take Diaz and Seager over Story without hesitation.
Would take Diaz and Seager over Story without hesitation.
This post was edited on 8/11/16 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:41 pm to WestCoastAg
Crawford
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