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re: In depth debate on who the GOAT is. Lebron? MJ?
Posted on 7/8/19 at 12:44 am to xiv
Posted on 7/8/19 at 12:44 am to xiv
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Lebron has more points, rebounds, assists, and blocks than Jordan
He also has less steals per game, less points per game, more turnovers per game, less MVPs, less all NBA defensive team appearances, has never been named defensive player of the year, and has a significantly inferior career free throw percentage.
But if you flip a coin, half of the time it’ll be tails.
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Posted on 7/8/19 at 12:47 am to ThePTExperience1969
What has LeBron averaged in the 4 finals against the Warriors? I feel like it’s be the same but 4 times, not just oncec
Posted on 7/8/19 at 12:51 am to Bow to Auburn
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What has LeBron averaged in the 4 finals against the Warriors?
1-3 those finals, the 1 he got Dray was out one game, Bogut lost for the remainder of the series, and Steph played those playoffs with injuries, LeBron as great as everyone says he is, with the supporting cast he has of K-Love and Kyrie, he should've made those Finals more competitive I don't buy the "he doesn't have enough help" excuses anymore
Posted on 7/8/19 at 1:02 am to ThePTExperience1969
Wasn’t Love and kyrie our for one of them and some combination in another?
All-time rankings:
MJ 1
Pippen top 30
Rodman top 70 (on most lists)
Lebron was playing against a team with 4-5 All-Stars. Not saying he is better than MJ, but did MJ compete against a team that loaded?
All-time rankings:
MJ 1
Pippen top 30
Rodman top 70 (on most lists)
Lebron was playing against a team with 4-5 All-Stars. Not saying he is better than MJ, but did MJ compete against a team that loaded?
This post was edited on 7/8/19 at 1:12 am
Posted on 7/8/19 at 1:40 am to oleyeller
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Mj.. great player, prob most overrated in history. Never won anything until he got pippen and hall of fame coach. He just came at a time where there wasnt as many people as athletic as he. If he played in todays game he would still be good, but just on the same level as the other allstars, not labeled the GOAT.
Dumbest shyt I’ve heard in an argument against MJ! How many multiple champion greats accomplished it with one player as the main help? ....on one team!! Leave the coaches out of it. MJ spearheaded a duo while everyone else had a star trio or better. “Like Jordan in the 4th” is a real thing. And the clutch takeover late in games was like clockwork! Then MJ’s conference and league titles were all against really damned good to great teams. Bow down to this one my friend. 6 rings 
Posted on 7/8/19 at 1:41 am to Bow to Auburn
Uh yeah, he was bottlenecked by the dynastic Celtics and the Top 5 Larry Bird, then had to get by the Bad Boys, then had to get by the Top 3 Magic and the Lakers.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 4:14 am to Terrific Tales
Lol Brady is by far the greatest
Posted on 7/8/19 at 7:13 am to JayWalkTiger
Kareem
Posted on 7/8/19 at 8:11 am to JayWalkTiger
3 pages of legacy debates.
Fact of the matter is LeBron is/was better at basketball than Jordan.
Fact of the matter is LeBron is/was better at basketball than Jordan.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 8:35 am to ThePTExperience1969
quote:James has played at least five Finals opponents who were better than any team Jordan has faced in his life. Don’t be silly.
Certainly pretty damn easy when you reach those 9 Finals in the LEastern Conference compared to the teams MJ battled those years
quote:Of all players in history, the player with the highest ratio of possessions of the ball in the lane to free throw attempts is Lebron James. Your point is one that lends itself to James, not to Jordan. Self-own.
The unathletic players Jordan played his era could still tackle him to the hardwood every time he drove to the hoop with almost complete impunity
quote:Harder today than back then. Players are better. Any argument otherwise is delusional.
Moreover, not too hard to win in the East now amirite? may be hard to win in the West with the dissolution of the GSW superteam, ensures to be fascinating
quote:And Jordan is better at doing it in the first two rounds. Hard to choke in the Finals when you can’t get there.
Certainly is better at choking in the Finals and bricking at the FT line in the clutch that's for sure can't say he's much better at anything else considering Jordan's track record
Literally every argument you made is one that favors James.
James is better than Jordan. It’s over.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 8:35 am to southdowns84
quote:Clearly.
I’m a little confused by your tactics.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 8:38 am to southdowns84
quote:James generates more points per game—that is, his points and assists per game account for more points than Jordan’s.
less points per game
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less MVPs, less all NBA defensive team appearances, has never been named defensive player of the year, and has a significantly inferior career free throw percentage.
James was the best player in the world at least 10 straight years. Michael Jordan has never even played the game of basketball for 10 straight years at any point in his life.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 8:41 am to ThePTExperience1969
quote:You sure we wanna use teams not being at full strength as an excuse?
the 1 he got Dray was out one game
James led his team in all statistical categories en route to a finals win over the greatest team in history. This included a comeback from a 3-1 deficit and one of two game 7 road wins in league history.
There is no evidence suggesting that Michael Jordan was good enough to do that.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 8:42 am to Bow to Auburn
quote:No.
did MJ compete against a team that loaded?
2018 Warriors
2017 Warriors
2016 Warriors
2015 Warriors
2014 Spurs
2013 Spurs
2007 Spurs
All these teams were better than anyone Jordan ever faced.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 8:55 am to JayWalkTiger
The GOAT debate shouldn’t be MJ be LBJ. It is and always will be MJ vs Bird.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 10:11 am to Bow to Auburn
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Wasn’t Love and kyrie our for one of them and some combination in another?
Love was out the entire 2015 playoffs, Kyrie out during game 1 for rest of Finals, LeBron led the Cavs to 2-1 then they lose 3 straight to close the season, including 2 in the King's Palace
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Lebron was playing against a team with 4-5 All-Stars. Not saying he is better than MJ, but did MJ compete against a team that loaded?
If LeBron's as great as everyone says he is and assembles all these superteams with great supporting role players, whoever's on the opponent's irrelevant particularly since people continue to say LeBron makes others better. I mean the way people talk about LeBron, he's the equal to 2 of the players on Golden State so the LeBron vs stacked team argument doesn't work for me anymore. Is what it is.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 10:17 am to xiv
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You sure we wanna use teams not being at full strength as an excuse?
Takes some of the shine off the accomplishment let's be honest, do the Cavs really overcome 3-1 against a fully stacked and healthy Golden State team, especially playing 2 of the final 3 at Oracle? Cmon man don't be a schmuck.
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James led his team in all statistical categories en route to a finals win over the greatest team in history.
Greatest REGULAR SEASON team in history, when Steph sustained the injury in the playoffs they experienced a dropoff in performance. This "greatest team in history" incurred a 3-1 Western Conference Finals deficit to the THUNDER of all teams, I wouldn't overinflate them at that point in the season.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 10:19 am to oleyeller
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Mj.. great player, prob most overrated in history. Never won anything until he got pippen and hall of fame coach. He just came at a time where there wasnt as many people as athletic as he. If he played in todays game he would still be good, but just on the same level as the other allstars, not labeled the GOAT.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 10:29 am to xiv
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James has played at least five Finals opponents who were better than any team Jordan has faced in his life. Don’t be silly.
Name me all the teams LeBron faced in the LEastern Conference playoffs that compare to who Jordan played, I'm waiting
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The unathletic players Jordan played his era could still tackle him to the hardwood every time he drove to the hoop with almost complete impunity
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Of all players in history, the player with the highest ratio of possessions of the ball in the lane to free throw attempts is Lebron James. Your point is one that lends itself to James, not to Jordan. Self-own.
Your attempted rebuttal doesn't make any sense, my point was, because Michael was so dominant at scoring and dunking in the post teams with lesser athletic players were permitted to literally tackle him (Jordan Rules) and be more physical with him with almost complete impunity especially comparing to today where there almost is no physicality.
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Moreover, not too hard to win in the East now amirite?
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Harder today than back then
Name me the teams today or hell when LeBron played in the East that remotely compare to the gauntlet Jordan faced in his day
Moreover, not as hard when you create super teams like LeBron and the Warriors
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Certainly is better at choking in the Finals and bricking at the FT line in the clutch that's for sure can't say he's much better at anything else considering Jordan's track record
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And Jordan is better at doing it in the first two rounds.
Did Jordan not play great in those series? Especially considering how stacked the teams he faced then were, those series in the 80s served to make those Bulls teams stronger as the 90s began and it reflected in how close they made those Pistons conference finals
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Hard to choke in the Finals when you can’t get there.
Never had to defend Jordan with that since he led the Bulls to TWO 3peats, your boy not so much too many choke jobs
Posted on 7/8/19 at 10:39 am to ThePTExperience1969
quote:But you watch him play.
I don't buy the "he doesn't have enough help" excuses anymore
And you know what is good enough to win from a team’s best player.
Are you trying to tell us that Lebron wasn’t doing enough in most years?
What part of his game in most years isn’t dominant enough?
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