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ThePTExperience1969
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re: In depth debate on who the GOAT is. Lebron? MJ?
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They weren’t stacked in that first season beyond the Big 3. 2 of their main role players (Miller and Haslem) were injured for much of the year, and they were forced to give a bunch of old players considerable playing time in the last year of the careers (Z, House, Arroyo). In that finals, Joel Anthony, Mike Bibby, Juwan Howard, and Eddie House all played. Not to mention, it took Spona year to figure out how to play them altogether to maximize their talents. The whole was not greater than the sum of the parts that season.


When you're top-heavy AF and all of y'all claim LeBron makes his teammates better, hard to argue that team's not stacked then to lose as embarrassingly as they did to the Mavs when favored just puts the icing on the cake


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ThePTExperience1969
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re: In depth debate on who the GOAT is. Lebron? MJ?
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Let’s just ignore that Lebron in the 11 minutes he played in fourth quarter, Lebron scored 13 points on 6/7 from the field (85.7%) and 1/1 from the line (87.4% TS%), had 3 rebounds, had 3 assists that contributed to 8 more points

And we’ll just ignored he went for 51/8/8, on 19/32 (59.4%) from the floor, 4/9 from 3 (42.9%), and 10/11 (90.9%) from the line with a 64.1% EFG% and a 69.2% TS% in 47.5 minutes—8.5 more minutes than any other Cavs.


Not ignoring that, dude was unreal the 4 quarters of regulation, almost pulled a bank robbery on their asses

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set up George Hill for the game-tying (which he made) and the potential game winning (which he missed) free throws after being down by 6.


I don't begrudge him for making that play, was a good play and produced 1 of Cleveland's 2 preferred results: converting a layup for go-ahead or drawing a foul. Either way LeBron doesn't go wrong if he makes a good pass or drives to the hole, though he possesses late game free-throw liability which is not a great trait for an all-time great who plays point-forward to have

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And that was against a team that was one of the best of all time, FAR BETTER than the Cavs, and on the road.


To whom much is given, much is required, it eminently appeared LeBron had a bunch left in the tank after JR's screw-up and justifiably he was angry. However, this is basketball and sports, you HAVE TO HAVE amnesia or it'll detrimentally affect your play and BOY did it for Bron in the OT, didn't score a blessed point and they lose what might have been a series-altering game, he let the momentum shift to Golden State. Thereafter, they get blown out the rest of the series and KD SMOKES him game 3 in the King's Palace. Is what it is.


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re: In depth debate on who the GOAT is. Lebron? MJ?
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To whom much is given, much is required, it eminently appeared LeBron had a bunch left in the tank after JR's screw-up and justifiably he was angry. However, this is basketball and sports, you HAVE TO HAVE amnesia or it'll detrimentally affect your play and BOY did it for Bron in the OT, didn't score a blessed point and they lose what might have been a series-altering game, he let the momentum shift to Golden State. Thereafter, they get blown out the rest of the series and KD SMOKES him game 3 in the King's Palace. Is what it is.


It shows he's human.

MJ was too. In 96, the Bulls were up 3-0 and he shot 6-19 to let the Sonics avoid elimination. He only shot 5-19 in the actual closeout Game 6.

Dogging LeBron for only 51, almost perfect shooting and setting up what could have been a game winning layup...the Bulls were better than opponents and didn't need A+ Jordan all the time. The Cavs needed A+ LeBron to have a chance vs the Warriors.


ThePTExperience1969
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It shows he's human.


Did get a tattoo on his back that reads "Chosen One"

Fully adopted the "King" moniker after publications conferred it on him back in high school

Declared himself GOAT after defeating GSW in 16

To whom much is given, much is required

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MJ was too. In 96, the Bulls were up 3-0 and he shot 6-19 to let the Sonics avoid elimination. He only shot 5-19 in the actual closeout Game 6.


Didn't lose the Finals and still won Finals MVP

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Dogging LeBron for only 51, almost perfect shooting and setting up what could have been a game winning layup


Didn't dog him for his regulation performance just his OT performance that cost them a winnable game 1 on the road

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the Bulls were better than opponents and didn't need A+ Jordan all the time.


That Sonics team was pretty damn good that season: Peyton, Kemp, McMillan, Perkins, Schrempf, Hawkins, Frank Brickowski of all people even performed well that series, swept the defending champ Rockets and took out the Jazz with Mailman and Stockton IN THEIR PRIME

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The Cavs needed A+ LeBron to have a chance vs the Warriors.


Kevin Love not on the team? JR Smith? Tristan? Hell, even Rodney Hood was on that team and he's thriving now with Dame Dolla

Just serves to reinforce my point

to whom much is given, much is required


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Kevin Love not on the team? JR Smith? Tristan? Hell, even Rodney Hood was on that team and he's thriving now with Dame Dolla 

Just serves to reinforce my point 

to whom much is given, much is required


That's sort of it. People require things from LeBron they don't of MJ.

Man for man, Love matched up to KD, JR matched up with Klay and Tristan matched Draymond. That is a MASSIVE talent advantage for GS. GS had a major talent advantage in every matchup except for LeBron and Iggy. That's why they won.

People just set different standards for LeBron vs MJ.


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Kevin Love not on the team? JR Smith? Tristan?
You can’t include Tristan Thompson as a positive contributor for the Cavs when he was in the middle of the Kardashian (specifically Khloe) curse. Bill Russel would have probably have had 0 championships if he was with her during his NBA career.


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ThePTExperience1969
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Wait MJ only made 6 finals in 14 seasons?!?

What happened in the other 8 years?


Remember the time MJ lost in the Finals? Yeah me neither all I remember are the legendary performances he submitted to lead the Bulls to 2 THREEPEATS


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ThePTExperience1969
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I mean they had a losing record in each of his first 3 seasons (38-44, 30-52, and 40-42) and still made the playoffs.


BEastern Conference

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The Cavs had a winning record in Lebron’s second season (42-40) and still didn’t make the playoffs.


Typical year in today's East, two top-heavy AF teams and a bunch of mediocre ones after that'd get smoked by the West in a playoff series, just lost a tie-breaker

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even with MJ missing most of the 30 win season.


86 was surreal, Bulls shoulda NEVER made the playoffs that season with 30-52 no one else in history would but MJ pushed probably the greatest single-season champion in history to the limit the first round, almost pulled a bank robbery of the Celtics in game 2 with his historic 63-point performance


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