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ThePTExperience1969
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re: In depth debate on who the GOAT is. Lebron? MJ?
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prob most overrated in history


Hard to overrate a guy who played basically 82 games a season on the reg in the most physical era in the sport's history, best 2-way player of his era, criminally underrated as a PG when placed there, criminally underrated in the post, clutch and scoring machine, 6x Finals MVP for 2 3peats, submitted probably the greatest Finals performance of all-time in the Phoenix series where he basically carried the Bulls to that title with Cartwright and Grant sucking the latter half, so athletic, DPOY, etc

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Never won anything until he got pippen and hall of fame coach.


That's generally the case for all great players in the history of the game however according to accounts and recollections relating to that time pre-first 3peat Michael and Tex Winter really pushed those guys over the top in terms of reputation and success. Michael was NOTORIOUSLY brutal on teammates because he hated to lose so badly but, by doing that, he instilled a mental toughness in that team to the point they realized their potential and turned back all challengers in the pursuit of basketball glory. Scottie was probably the greatest beneficiary of that considering he was a nobody until the 1987 draft.

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He just came at a time where there wasnt as many people as athletic as he.


But they could tackle him to the hardwood with almost complete impunity, a testament to how dominant he was

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If he played in todays game he would still be good, but just on the same level as the other allstars, not labeled the GOAT.


He'd probably be a more efficient Kobe and average 35-40 ON THE REG


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xiv
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re: In depth debate on who the GOAT is. Lebron? MJ?
Lebron has more points, rebounds, assists, and blocks than Jordan, and going 3-6 in the Finals is harder than going 6-0.

If you still think Jordan is better, you don’t know how to math.


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re: In depth debate on who the GOAT is. Lebron? MJ?
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JayWalkTiger

Glad to see someone still using my official Super Bowl trump cards.


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mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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re: In depth debate on who the GOAT is. Lebron? MJ?
People are still seriously debating this?

Not once, not twice, not three times, not four times, not five times, not six times...


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LukeSidewalker
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re: In depth debate on who the GOAT is. Lebron? MJ?
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going 3-6 in the Finals is harder than going 6-0.



Lol is it harder to go 6-0 but take two of those years of your prime off? Or go 3-6 in the finals? You honestly think if Jordan plays those years he doesn’t make the finals?

You Lebron kids don’t understand greatness. And that sucks for y’all.


xiv
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re: In depth debate on who the GOAT is. Lebron? MJ?
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Lol is it harder to go 6-0 but take two of those years of your prime off? Or go 3-6 in the finals?
3-6 is mathematically less likely and harder.
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You honestly think if Jordan plays those years he doesn’t make the finals?
But he didn’t.


tigerpimpbot
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re: In depth debate on who the GOAT is. Lebron? MJ?
JJ Barea eliminated LeBron from any GOAT discussion. Sorry guys.


xiv
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re: In depth debate on who the GOAT is. Lebron? MJ?
Sherman Douglas schooled Jordan twice. Jordan can’t be GOAT derp


southdowns84
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re: In depth debate on who the GOAT is. Lebron? MJ?
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Never won anything until he got pippen and hall of fame coach.


Damn, Pippen went to UNC?


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ThePTExperience1969
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re: In depth debate on who the GOAT is. Lebron? MJ?
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Lebron has more points, rebounds, assists, and blocks than Jordan


And I should care why?

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going 3-6 in the Finals is harder than going 6-0.


I cannot wait to read the explanation to this bc believe me I attempted to make the same damn one


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xiv
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re: In depth debate on who the GOAT is. Lebron? MJ?
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And I should care why?
You’re in the thread.
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I cannot wait to read the explanation to this bc believe me I attempted to make the same damn one
Simulate every game with a coin flip. The likelihood of team going 6-0 in the Finals is higher than that of a team going 3-6. That is: all things being equal, going 3-6 is harder than going 6-0.

But all things aren’t equal. Basketball players are better now than they were 20-30 years ago, meaning that it is harder to win in today’s NBA than it was to win in Jordan’s.

Lebron is better than Jordan. It’s insane and delusional to refuse to accept this objective truth.
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burke985
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re: In depth debate on who the GOAT is. Lebron? MJ?
There is no debate


burke985
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re: In depth debate on who the GOAT is. Lebron? MJ?
Jordan would make LeBron cry, he would be so far in his head it isn't even funny. Part of Jordan greatness was his trash talk he woul make LeBron his little bitch


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ThePTExperience1969
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re: In depth debate on who the GOAT is. Lebron? MJ?
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And I should care why?


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You’re in the thread.


That doesn't explain why cumulative stats matter when comparing these two players and what they represent

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I cannot wait to read the explanation to this bc believe me I attempted to make the same damn one


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Simulate every game with a coin flip. The likelihood of team going 6-0 in the Finals is higher than that of a team going 3-6. That is: all things being equal, going 3-6 is harder than going 6-0.


Certainly pretty damn easy when you reach those 9 Finals in the LEastern Conference compared to the teams MJ battled those years

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But all things aren’t equal. Basketball players are better now than they were 20-30 years ago, meaning that it is harder to win in today’s NBA than it was to win in Jordan’s.


The unathletic players Jordan played his era could still tackle him to the hardwood every time he drove to the hoop with almost complete impunity, besides let's consider the overall challengers to Jordan's pursuit HIS FIRST THREEPEAT: Sixers, Pistons, Cavs, Knicks, Celtics, Suns, Blazers, Lakers, Sonics, Spurs, Jazz, etc. ALL consisting of great players, coaches and duos. The next level is just as staggering to assess.

Moreover, not too hard to win in the East now amirite? may be hard to win in the West with the dissolution of the GSW superteam, ensures to be fascinating

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Lebron is better than Jordan.


Certainly is better at choking in the Finals and bricking at the FT line in the clutch that's for sure can't say he's much better at anything else considering Jordan's track record
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Terrific Tales
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re: In depth debate on who the GOAT is. Lebron? MJ?
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Jordan easily. Bron has 3 titles?


I agree that Jordan is the GOAT, but titles is a really flawed argument in my opinion because of all the variables. Tom Brady has a lot of SB wins but he isn’t even close to the best QB of all time IMO.
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ThePTExperience1969
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re: In depth debate on who the GOAT is. Lebron? MJ?
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Tom Brady has a lot of SB wins but he isn’t even close to the best QB of all time IMO.



I still rate Montana as GOAT, dude accomplished all he did and achieved really accurate numbers in one of the most physical eras in sports history. I've watched his 49ers footage, Montana was not strictly a dink and dunk quarterback, dude would complete those long passes with incredible accuracy and touch.


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southdowns84
Member since Dec 2009
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re: In depth debate on who the GOAT is. Lebron? MJ?
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Simulate every game with a coin flip.


This doesn’t even make bad sense.

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But all things aren’t equal.


I’ve never seen anyone defeat their own argument so concisely.

I’m a little confused by your tactics.


tigerpimpbot
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re: In depth debate on who the GOAT is. Lebron? MJ?
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Sherman Douglas schooled Jordan twice. Jordan can’t be GOAT derp


We aren’t taking about Bulls first round sweeps, son. Herp a derp


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Yeahright
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re: In depth debate on who the GOAT is. Lebron? MJ?
Here's all you need to know......

Jordan's individual accolades and accomplishments include six NBA Finals Most Valuable Player (MVP) Awards, ten scoring titles (both all-time records), five MVP Awards, ten All-NBA First Team designations, nine All-Defensive First Team honors, fourteen NBA All-Star Game selections, three All-Star Game MVP Awards, three steals titles, and the 1988 NBA Defensive Player of the Year Award. He holds the NBA records for highest career regular season scoring average (30.12 points per game) and highest career playoff scoring average (33.45 points per game).


ThePTExperience1969
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Member since Apr 2016
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re: In depth debate on who the GOAT is. Lebron? MJ?
Maybe the greatest playoffs performance EVER with his 1993 NBA Finals performance: 41-8-6 on 51% FG, as the series progressed dude basically willed the Bulls to those wins, Horace and Cartwright were basically sucking and the bench wasn't contributing much either. One man show truly carried the day there.


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