re: If the Patriots win

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No one can deny the performances Brady has had IN the Super Bowls he's played in. But the road to get there? It's been much easier than the rest of the NFL has dealt with on average.

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You usually get easier roads to the Super Bowl by winning the most games in your conference, and getting the higher seed. That's the entire point of higher seeds.

Also the AFC has had a better record against the NFC than vice versa in most seasons of Brady's career.

Only reason he beat the Jags and Titans this year to get to the super bowl is because those two teams beat the #2 and #3 seeds.


But sure let's do the checklist

2001: Beat a 13-3 Steelers team at Heinz with a Bledsoe bc Brady got hurt. Beat NFC #1 seed in Super Bowl. So they knocked off the two top seeds in the playoff picture

2003: beat McNair led 12-4 Titans Beat 12-4 Manning Colts at Gillette (they were a 3 seed) in AFC title game. Beat 3 seed NFC champ in SB Carolina

2004: Beat 12-4 Manning Colts in divisional round, beat 15-1 Steelers in AFC title game, then beat 1 seed Philly in SB

2007: Beat Jags (who beat the Steelers in wildcard round) and chargers (who beat the Colts in the divisional round.

2011: Beat Ravens in AFC title game. Same team essentially that won the SB the following year

2014: Beat Ravens and Colts, both who upset higher seeds to get to that round. Then beat the #1 NFC seed in Super Bowl

2016: Beat the AFC #3 seed Steelers and the NFC #2 seed.

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You usually get easier roads to the Super Bowl by winning the most games in your conference, and getting the higher seed. That's the entire point of higher seeds.

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If you can't acknowledge that NYJ/MIA/BUF have been pretty much shite the past 15 years, it's kinda useless to discuss this with you, no?

This still doesn't address what I'm referring to:

The fact that all 3 of the other teams in the AFC East have been incompetent to downright abysmal for the duration of Belichik/Brady being in NE.

Also, on average, the NFC has been FAR more competitive than the AFC for the last 17 years. Brady and Belichik have basically sleepwalked their way to a bye every year since going to NE.

How anyone can argue against this is beyond me.

Again, I think Brady is the GOAT for his performances in the SB, but their regular season have been far easier than, Drew Brees and Sean Payton's, for example.

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The fact that all 3 of the other teams in the AFC East have been incompetent to downright abysmal for the duration of Belichik/Brady being in NE.

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As are most divisions with a dominant team of the era. Strong teams create a power vacuum and teams struggle to find consistent playoff appearances which leads to more turnover and constant poor records. Same shite had happened in the SEC with Saban.

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Also, on average, the NFC has been FAR more competitive than the AFC for the last 17 years. Brady and Belichik have basically sleepwalked their way to a bye every year since going to NE.

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Factually that is incorrect. AFC has had a better record against the NFC in all but 4 of Brady's seasons as a pro.

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How anyone can argue against this is beyond me.

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Sorry you are letting your perception lead you eyes instead of what actually happened

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As are most divisions with a dominant team of the era. Strong teams create a power vacuum and teams struggle to find consistent playoff appearances which leads to more turnover and constant poor records. Same shite had happened in the SEC with Saban.

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Holy fricking shite

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What system does he play in

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The Belichick system where the OL and Def are consistently good and he just plugs people in at QB, RB, WR.

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As are most divisions with a dominant team of the era. Strong teams create a power vacuum and teams struggle to find consistent playoff appearances which leads to more turnover and constant poor records. Same shite had happened in the SEC with Saban.

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Using a college conference analogy is a false equivalency. The fact is, the AFC East is pretty much the ONLY division that has been this top-heavy thru the years. AFC South when Peyton was dominating was close, I'll give you that, but no other division has had such disparity between 1 team and the other 3 as the AFC East.

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Factually that is incorrect. AFC has had a better record against the NFC in all but 4 of Brady's seasons as a pro.

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Why does record of NFC vs. AFC mean the AFC is better? That's like saying the AFC is better bc they won the Pro Bowl this year. Again, false equivalency. The NFC is WAY more competitive on average than the AFC. There's a new team emerging from it every season. shite, 13-3 doesn't even guarantee you a bye in the NFC. But it damn sure does in the AFC.

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Sorry you are letting your perception lead you eyes instead of what actually happened

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Again, I think Brady IS the GOAT. I am in awe of what he and Belichik have accomplished. But I also have eyes, and a brain, and logic, and I am very willing to point out the TRUTH that their division and conference lend them an easier road to every SB. I'm sorry that YOU can't be reasonable and objective.

It's perfectly ok to admit they had an easier road. Hell, you can even take the stance of "Welp, they played the cards they were dealt and got it done!" But to just blindly refuse to acknowledge it, and then outright deny it, makes you wrong. Suck it.

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Using a college conference analogy is a false equivalency. The fact is, the AFC East is pretty much the ONLY division that has been this top-heavy thru the years. AFC South when Peyton was dominating was close, I'll give you that, but no other division has had such disparity between 1 team and the other 3 as the AFC East.

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There's also never been a team to dominate for this long. Especially in the salary cap era

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Why does record of NFC vs. AFC mean the AFC is better? That's like saying the AFC is better bc they won the Pro Bowl this year. Again, false equivalency. The NFC is WAY more competitive on average than the AFC. There's a new team emerging from it every season. shite, 13-3 doesn't even guarantee you a bye in the NFC. But it damn sure does in the AFC

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You are saying the AFC has been a shittier conference for most of his career then how would the head to head record not matter? Isn't that how we determine which teams are better?

You are picking out certain years in which the NFC has had more competitive seeding and using it across the board. That's silly.

That's like me saying "oh 7-9 doesn't get you a home game in the AFC but it sure as hell does in the NFC"

Tell me what metric you have that the NFC has been better than the AFC over the past 17 years.

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That's not a system or why he is a statistical successful QB.

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No but it is the reason why he has way more Super Bowl wins than other comparable QBs in his era.

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Arguing he cant be the best ever because he's played on good teams is just as dumb

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Where did I argue that?