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re: If the Big12 fails, who does Texas play in non-football sports?
Posted on 8/9/11 at 6:01 pm to SandStorm
Posted on 8/9/11 at 6:01 pm to SandStorm
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They are a national brand.
Who wants a top baseball program, a very strong basketball program, good softball, excellent at t & f, swimming, golf, etc. Like I said...national brand.
A national brand for who the mexicans???
Sorry, but they will not be Notre Dame or Dallas so called Americas Team.
Outside of Texas, they have no storyline. FACT.
They are not the U or USC.
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Posted on 8/9/11 at 6:04 pm to LSU9102
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A national brand for who the mexicans???
Sorry, but they will not be Notre Dame or Dallas so called Americas Team.
Outside of Texas, they have no storyline. FACT.
They are not the U or USC.
Yeah, Notre Dame works because they're Notre Dame. Greatest CFB program of all-time and a CFB fanbase that is unmatched by any another nationally. Texas is not Notre Dame. Nobody is. It would be suicide for any other program to go the independent route.
Posted on 8/9/11 at 6:15 pm to LSU9102
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A national brand for who the mexicans???
Uhh...yeah. Because USC reppin' LA isn't Mexican influenced either. Poor attempt at humor here, mainly because it makes no sense.
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Sorry, but they will not be Notre Dame or Dallas so called Americas Team.
Let's see...bitterness towards Dallas? Check. More nonsense? Check. Where did I say they would be Notre Dame or Dallas? Why the frick would I compare them to the NFL?
They ARE a national brand...just like Ohio State, Michigan, North Carolina, etc, etc. Look at merchandise sales...then check back with me.
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Outside of Texas, they have no storyline. FACT.
I am pretty sure they do in Oklahoma. They seem to be getting alot of attention on a Louisiana based message board. Is this a joke, really? With the exception of last year, they are a perennial top 10 team, and you say they have no storyline? The LHN is a BIG storyline. Them appearing in two title games this decade puts them in good company...shite...them winning one this decade. VY? Mack can't coach? Those are big storylines bro...and with LHN/ESPN involoved...it's pretty 'national.'
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They are not the U or USC.
Miami isn't anything anymore. Sorry...people IN Miami don't even care. Way to pick out two teams that can't even fill their stadium at home.
I am not even sure why I took the time to respond...totally ignorant post.
Posted on 8/9/11 at 6:29 pm to TexasTiger08
I think it would definitely be a horrible idea for Texas to go independent. As big of a fan base as they have, I don't think even they could pull it off.
Posted on 8/9/11 at 6:41 pm to Elleshoe
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I think it would definitely be a horrible idea for Texas to go independent. As big of a fan base as they have, I don't think even they could pull it off.
I think they could football-wise...but if that meant a move to the Big East or some shite for other sports...it's killer.
Sure, basketball at UT would be nice to watch as far as Big East competition goes. It would strengthen that team as a whole. But baseball? Softball? I am not saying softball is relevant financially, but they are strong in so many sports.
Big picture, they could pull of being Indy, but at what expense?
I could picture their indy football schedule:
Notre Dame
BYU
Houston
TCU
Baylor
Rice
OU
Texas A&M (depending on if they are still crying)
-insert Pac12 school here-
-insert B1G school here-
-some shitty in state school...Texas State? Sam Houston?-
Posted on 8/9/11 at 8:06 pm to RedHawk
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There would be NO way that the B1G would allow Texas to come in with their own network.
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We're not kidding ourselves when we see that the LHN would be a deal breaker to Texas joining any BCS conference. No way to sugar-coat that.
Like it or not, you can create a strong argument that Texas brings more eyeballs to TVs than any other school. That is what generates revenue for college football. In terms of money & national brand (2nd in all time wins) Texas is a unique beast. It is a real game changer and smart, innovative people like the commissioners of the Pac 12 & Big 10 didn't get to where they are by being predictable. Larry's Scott's very close attempt at the Pac 16 was a dynamic move. The Big 10 network was a dynamic move. These guys think big and outside the box. If they want to, they can make the LHN work.
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I don't doubt that the Longhorns are more popular but can they really sustain a network in one state with divided loyalties?
ESPN is the most profitable entity of the Disney empire and the unrivaled leader in sports broadcasting. Why do people doubt that they know what they are doing?
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The magic of the big ten network is that everyone is equal and that a Michigan State or Purdue fan doesn't feel slighted and you can sell the BTN to all households. Let's suppose a car dealership in Dallas buys time and advertises on the LHN. What if Aggies organized a boycott or complained? Even if the boycott is slightly successful it can hurt the car dealership.
About as likely as non-Big 10 fan organizing a boycott of a Big-10 network sponsor. How many of those have their been?
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I think it would definitely be a horrible idea for Texas to go independent. As big of a fan base as they have, I don't think even they could pull it off.
Texas would only be an independent in football and the Horns will be more than fine.
Posted on 8/9/11 at 8:40 pm to Dr Drunkenstein
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Larry's Scott's very close attempt at the Pac 16 was a dynamic move. The Big 10 network was a dynamic move. These guys think big and outside the box. If they want to, they can make the LHN work.
The Pac 12 and Big Ten were interested in Texas prior to the launch of the LHN. Both of these leagues now have their own network deals. I can't see the LHN working within those frameworks.
UT needs to be independent. They've convinced themselves that would work out for them, so the only way forward is for them to try it.
Posted on 8/9/11 at 9:10 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
Wasn't the start of the LHN a deal breaker in making the Pac 16?
Posted on 8/9/11 at 9:36 pm to Dr Drunkenstein
@Dr Drunkenstein,
I think you are drunk. With all their money and fans and shite how many National Championships have you had in the last 40+ years? One?
UT is a world class research university with world class facility. The only thing lacking is world class fans. They suck worse then 99% of the BCS. The arrogance of the LHN is proof. A conference is composed of members for well being, not arrogance.
I think you are drunk. With all their money and fans and shite how many National Championships have you had in the last 40+ years? One?
UT is a world class research university with world class facility. The only thing lacking is world class fans. They suck worse then 99% of the BCS. The arrogance of the LHN is proof. A conference is composed of members for well being, not arrogance.
This post was edited on 8/9/11 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 8/9/11 at 10:10 pm to TexasTiger08
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Uhh...yeah. Because USC reppin' LA isn't Mexican influenced either. Poor attempt at humor here, mainly because it makes no sense.
Southern Cal is popular because they cross over into several different population sects. Even then, despite what ESPN would lead you to believe, they are only popular on the West Coast.
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Let's see...bitterness towards Dallas? Check. More nonsense? Check. Where did I say they would be Notre Dame or Dallas? Why the frick would I compare them to the NFL?
They ARE a national brand...just like Ohio State, Michigan, North Carolina, etc, etc. Look at merchandise sales...then check back with me.
No they aren't. You are severely overestimating the success of a program with its popularity/fanbase.
North Carolian only has a slightly bigger fanbase in the state of North Carolina than NCSU. Don't believe me? Go to North Carolina. Ask around. You'd be surprised how few Duke fans there are and how many NCSU fans there are.
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I am pretty sure they do in Oklahoma. They seem to be getting alot of attention on a Louisiana based message board. Is this a joke, really? With the exception of last year, they are a perennial top 10 team, and you say they have no storyline? The LHN is a BIG storyline. Them appearing in two title games this decade puts them in good company... shite...them winning one this decade. VY? Mack can't coach? Those are big storylines bro...and with LHN/ESPN involoved...it's pretty 'national.'
Not even dignifying this filth.
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Miami isn't anything anymore. Sorry...people IN Miami don't even care. Way to pick out two teams that can't even fill their stadium at home.
Miami doesn't have fans in Miami because they don't have a high student body. They are an expensive arse private school in an city where the majority of the population isn't living the life of luxury. Many of their grads sprinkle out around the nation and globe so it's not like they are going to plan their lives around coming back down 7 times a year to see the games.
Texas really isn't a big brand outside of its own state. Are they known? No shite. Are they that big? Not outside of Texas.
Posted on 8/9/11 at 10:33 pm to SandStorm
Thanks SandStorm.
You knew what I meant.
Storyline, tu whorns has 1 NC in 40 years.
MIAMI, U has 5. They have a swagga. Whorns not so much.
You knew what I meant.
Storyline, tu whorns has 1 NC in 40 years.
MIAMI, U has 5. They have a swagga. Whorns not so much.
Posted on 8/9/11 at 10:37 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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We're not kidding ourselves when we see that the LHN would be a deal breaker to Texas joining any BCS conference. No way to sugar-coat that.
That's the thing. No one is denying that Texas has a great brand is a great money-maker, but no legit conference is going to allow one school to have their own network. I do agree that I could see the Pac12 conceding and working out some kind of deal to make it happen, but I guarantee you that the Big10 and SEC WILL NOT allow Texas to come with the LHN.
Again, I think Texas will always be ok, independent or not, but they have severely limited their football options with the launch of the LHN. It's pretty much Big12 or independence at this point.
All that said, and I've said this numerous times... Texas DOES NOT WANT independence... at least yet. They will do everything in their power to keep the Big12 together as long as they can. Even if Texas A&M leaves, I believe the Big12 will try to lure 1-3 teams over and attempt to keep the Big12 going. Right now, Texas is getting the best of both worlds: Independent TV money (LHN/ESPN) + Big12 TV money. Texas is in no hurry to change this, and IMO will concede many different issues that come up in the immediate future to keep the Big12 alive.
The reason the SEC is after A&M and not Texas is no secret: A&M gets you into Texas without all the baggage that UT brings.
This post was edited on 8/9/11 at 10:48 pm
Posted on 8/9/11 at 10:44 pm to JPLSU1981
Texas is a cancer to whatever conference they are in due to their greed and arrogance.
Posted on 8/9/11 at 10:46 pm to SandStorm
to me it's how big an attendance bump you get for road games... BYU went to Tulane and it was still empty... Texas went and brought enough fans to come through on TV, but it is a shorter drive from Austin.
if you really want to make it as independent, fill up a stadium outside your region against a barely relevant team outside both regions... for example if you fill up Soldier Field against a Fresno State or Southern Miss, then you'd make it. Notre Dame filled up the AlamoDome against Washington State...
if you really want to make it as independent, fill up a stadium outside your region against a barely relevant team outside both regions... for example if you fill up Soldier Field against a Fresno State or Southern Miss, then you'd make it. Notre Dame filled up the AlamoDome against Washington State...
Posted on 8/10/11 at 7:33 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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The Pac 12 and Big Ten were interested in Texas prior to the launch of the LHN. Both of these leagues now have their own network deals. I can't see the LHN working within those frameworks.
I have a problem seeing how it would work as well but, as innovative as the Pac 12 & Big 10 commissioners are, I would be surprised if they couldn't find a way to make it work.
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Wasn't the start of the LHN a deal breaker in making the Pac 16?
The Pac 12 commissioner in an interview said something along the lines of how he didn't think a single school network could be integrated with their new platform. Still, if he had a real, unfettered (as in no more Baylor) opportunity to bring in Texas, it is my opinion that he could find a way to make it work.
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@Dr Drunkenstein, I think you are drunk. With all their money and fans and shite how many National Championships have you had in the last 40+ years? One?
Did I ever lie about how many national titles Texas has won?
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UT is a world class research university with world class facility. The only thing lacking is world class fans. They suck worse then 99% of the BCS. The arrogance of the LHN is proof. A conference is composed of members for well being, not arrogance.
I think you are implying I am arrogant for saying Texas bring more eyeballs to TVs than any other program. Look.....Texas is the 2nd most populous state, has 2 top 10 media markets and 2 other large media markets. I don't think I am arrogant to state those unique facts. By the way, if you think the LHN is proof of arrogance, would ANY school have turned that deal down? No, of course not. That isn't being arrogant. That is being smart.
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no legit conference is going to allow one school to have their own network. I do agree that I could see the Pac12 conceding and working out some kind of deal to make it happen, but I guarantee you that the Big10 and SEC WILL NOT allow Texas to come with the LHN.
I really think the Big 10 wants an unattached (no Tech, Baylor or A&M) Texas and they want them a lot. The Big 10 has big populations in economically regressive areas. They would love the increased recruiting exposure to get more Texas players. I respectfully disagree with you. I could be fooling myself because I have always wanted Texas in the Big 10 because of the CIC while our Cal alum president has a hard-on for the Pac 12, we'll see.
Posted on 8/10/11 at 9:10 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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Like it or not, you can create a strong argument that Texas brings more eyeballs to TVs than any other school
Ah yes, the ole we're not arrogant, we're just better than you teasip mentality. Congrats, you got your own cable network, call me when Texas football gets a network TV deal on its own.
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These guys think big and outside the box. If they want to, they can make the LHN work.
Its not necessarily a matter of will. There contractual obligations to consider. The BIG or Pac 12 Network deals may not allow individual memebers to have seperate deals. They have already paid for the rights to broadcast conference games and will not just let someone else have those rights for some games. There are also 12 other memeber schools to consider and while the teasips might think OU and A&M are just crybabies, the reality is, most people don't like the the idea of having one member of a conference dicatate all the terms. I don't think say Michigan State let alone Ohio State would welcome a broadcast truck advertising the LHN on campus to televise certain games.
Even if we accept the teasip centric view that Texas brings the most eyeballs for football are you so arrogant to think that UT's audience dwarf's everyone else's? Do you think its so large that anyone will just accept what ever terms UT wants? Of course Texas brings a great deal of value to any conference, but not at any price. If Texas was so much bigger and more valuable, why isn't the Big xii-ii TV deal way better than any other? Fact is the B1G, SEC and Pac 12 are doing just fine. Would Texas be a valuable addation to any of the 3? Of course. So much so that they should just let Texas do what ever they want, make extra revenue on their own with the LHN, plus take an unequal share of other conference revenue? I don't think so.
This post was edited on 8/10/11 at 9:15 am
Posted on 8/10/11 at 9:54 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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ESPN is the most profitable entity of the Disney empire and the unrivaled leader in sports broadcasting. Why do people doubt that they know what they are doing?
Because they have before and will continue to make mistakes. ESPN is #1 sports broadcaster, but they don't have a Midas touch. Not everything becomes gold.
Posted on 8/10/11 at 10:01 am to Bench McElroy
I have to agree. Outside of the state line, Texas is not nearly as powerful as they would like for you to believe. I hope they fail miserably for how they are treating the rest of their conference
Posted on 8/10/11 at 10:44 am to H-Town Tiger
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Of course Texas brings a great deal of value to any conference, but not at any price. If Texas was so much bigger and more valuable, why isn't the Big xii-ii TV deal way better than any other?
Iowa State, Baylor, Texas Tech, Kansas State, Kansas, etc.
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Because they have before and will continue to make mistakes. ESPN is #1 sports broadcaster, but they don't have a Midas touch. Not everything becomes gold.
Still, I will trust their judgement more than a bunch of jabronis on a message board who have never worked in the industry.
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I have to agree. Outside of the state line, Texas is not nearly as powerful as they would like for you to believe.
I don't think people in Rhode Island, Florida or California live & die with Texas football BUT there are enough eyeballs within the state of Texas to justify the $300 million.
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I hope they fail miserably for how they are treating the rest of their conference
This is just weird. A lot of these conference members would not be in a BCS conference, and would make a lot less $, if not for Texas. For schools like A&M and OU who chose to stay, they are accountable for their own actions and it is silly to feel sorry for them.
Posted on 8/10/11 at 10:46 am to Bronwyn
As a Texas fan, I'm increasingly embarrassed by the LHN, and combination of naivity and arrogance of the business side of UT athletics. They are very heavily promoting the Rice-Texas game around Dallas with billboards, radio ads, etc. Like it's some sort of huge game. Please.
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