re: If Madden is right that Sandusky was a "poorly kept secret" around CFB

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It's asinine to think that this didn't leak out, and was talked about.


Among coaches at different schools? Im gonna need to see some evidence before I go down that road

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I agree

The number of people who knew enough to make accusations in public had to be somewhat limited or the scandal would have broken sooner

It seems clear that people at PSU did know but fooled themselves into not believing or consciously decided not to pursue the case because it would be a scandal that smeared their school. But I don't believe without additional proof that say people at Pitt, Notre Dame, or tOSU knew enough to accuse Sandusky of being a pedophile.

Sandusky jumped up from the floor and told him they were just wrestling.

The HS coach questioned in his mind why Sandusky wasn't using the main wrestling room and stated he wasn't sure what he saw due to the room Sandusky and the kid were in was angled in a way that you could not really see what was going on.

The HS coach deliberated on what Sandusky told him and within an hour acted on it.

The victim has stated that at the point the HS coach walked in, they (Sandusky and kid) had only done that "weird face thing" and no sexual molestation had yet taken place.

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My point here is people, educators, are thinking this but no one is calling, not my responsibility.

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Just because a grown man has a non profit and spends time with at risk kids doesn't mean he is a pedo. I highly doubt suspicion was based on anything other than appearance. Grown men don't stand around and talk about this among themselves like they do on some anon message board. Hell, the actual events are uncomfortable to talk about anonymously. There may have been a few rumors but I seriously doubt any particulars were widely talked about.

Probably, but I seriously doubt this is some college football wide scandal. Few knew the particulars.

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It's possible you and I are having two different discussions. The conversation I am having at the present deals with specific allegations and rumors as they may have existed across the college football landscape, and I highly doubt that was happening.

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Okay. I didn't think that was the serious angle of this topic because that proposition is quite ludicrous.

I assumed the OP was talking about all of us looking at the structure and power of college football and how insular corruption might be rampant...ala Chicago or Southern politics and we might want to (as a society) re-examine these pristine college fortresses which lack real outside oversight.

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I asked the other day whether this might bring down the money machine that has become college sports. Not many people wanted to take a swing at the question, but I still think it's a possibility.

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Then you're insane.

My god, you people really need to get your emotions in check and put down the torches and pitchforks. The stuff Sandusky is alleged to have done is absolute horrific, the worst thing most of us can imagine. He deserves the maximum punishment. The officials that covered it up deserved to go to jail. Paterno deserved to get fired and if he broke laws fire him too.

But now you saying others and other schools heard rumors and should have done something? Do you not understand how dangerous that is? Do you know how many people have spent time in jail for false charges like these? That these turned out to be true doesn't mean someone that heard a rumor somewhere needed to "do somehing" other than maybe not associate with Sandusky.

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This isn't a college football issue...

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The power that Paterno and his staff gained as a result of our society's emphasis and love for the game of football and it's icon's, is what allowed them to "cover up" these issues. This speaks to the fact that it is indeed a college football issue. The "game" of football collided with the ugly realites of life and football won. May God have mercy on us.

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BUT it does STINK. Sandusky was one of the best D coordinators in the country in the 90s, including assistant coach of the year in 99. He suddenly retires, in his fifties, at the peak of his career, AND GETS NO JOB OFFERS since? Somebody knows something

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Definitely. I'm sure one of them is Paterno.

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AND GETS NO JOB OFFERS since? Somebody knows something Wasn't the 98 incident know publicly?

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I doubt it. It was a set up conversation and a police interview after which they decided not to press charges. I'm quite sure the Penn State staff knew but I'm not convinced the news was public.