re: If Andrew Luck Wins the Rookie of the Year

The reality ( regardless of your love/hate of RGIII) is that running QBs don't win titles. Young is the only freakin one. ONE. And none of his runs were designed, they were all scrambles which means that of his OMG 4 runs/game almost every single one if not every single one were called pass plays were cov or prot. broke down. All of his rushing yards that year are considered scramble yards. He threw the ball 461 times. RGIII has attempted 350 with over 100 runs most of which are designed and not scrambling. Not exactly apples to oranges but more oranges and lemons.

That being said if RGIII plays he last two games at even a decent level he wins the award hands down in my opinion. I think what he's done this year is amazing. If its sustainable is yet to be seen.

History shows that what Luck does is adaptable to defensive changes that are inevitable in the NFL once teams get enough tape on you to see tendencies and it is the type of talent that wins titles. What RGIII does doesnt usually sustain long term or win titles. Thats NFL history. Not opinion. Steve Young is the only, kind of, outlier. I wouldn't consider that season that he was a running QB. He was a passing QB that could scramble. At least that season he was. It's interesting that the 49er teams that did the best with him were when he reigned in the running and sat in the pocket more.

This year? RGIII should win ROTY

Long term I'd rather Luck

And I haven't even mentioned injury stuff

Just my two cents.

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History shows that what Luck does is adaptable to defensive changes that are inevitable in the NFL once teams get enough tape on you to see tendencies and it is the type of talent that wins titles. What RGIII does doesnt usually sustain long term or win titles. Thats NFL history. Not opinion.

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Eh. No one has ever run the system RG3 is running. That's NFL history as well, not opinion.

I'll say this much. I don't know who much longer I can keep-up this thread, because I'm about to head on holiday soon but this has been a damn good discussion.

The Luck crew has brought-up quite a few good points, and while I may disagree with them it's still good to hear both sides. The season expectation argument is obviously the biggest one, and the Colts have definitely done a helluva lot better than expected.

I'd argue it's a result of good drafting, replacing 2/3s of the previous roster, and the ACC as whole being attrocious, but regardless when you improve that much with a rookie QB it's something to be extremely impressed with.

Good chat

Luck has done great this year. Why should anyone else get it over him?

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Steve Young, didn't even think of him.

There ya go, myth busted

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Steve Young is a running QB now?





That's golden. Steve Young was an athletic, pass first QB who could scramble. Steve Young was actually an efficient passer while throwing it 450 times a year. He led the league in TD passes multiple times.

There wasn't designed runs for him. He didn't run the fricking option. He wasn't 22nd in pass yards and 18th in pass TDs.

Steve Young is Aaron Rodgers and Andrew Luck, not RG3. Don't insult Steve Young by comparing him to RG3.

Through 13 games, RG3 has almost doubled Steve Young's highest rushing attempt total in a season.

This thread has become a joke.

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Yea, Steve Young was a mobile QB.

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Mobile QB != running QB. Pointing to his 1st season where he only played 5 games is also a pretty dumb argument. Young averaged around 4 rushes a game for his career. Which is about the same amount Luck is averaging this year and Rodgers has averaged for his career.

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Don't think Young was a mobile QB?

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Yes, Steve Young is the epitome of a mobile QB.

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Pointing to his 1st season where he only played 5 games is also a pretty dumb argument. Young averaged around 4 rushes a game for his career.

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Again, I don't think yal understand this. Young played at a time when QBs only scrambled. There wasn't the system they have now where there are design QB read runs. Every single one of his runs was a scramble. If you added in the 6-7 runs per game that are designed (like RGs has) then they'd be running the exact same amount.

Do yal really think Mike Shannahan, the same guy who is using RG3 to run the most efficient offense in the league on a per yardage basis, wouldn't have used Young, another QB far ahead of QBs of his time from an athletic and mobility standpoint, in the same way?

Luck has 1000 passings yards more than either of them.
His team wOn 7 more games that last year opposed to 2 and 3 more.

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RG3 has to run that offense to be successful.

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According to? GynoSandberg?

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Luck has 1000 passings yards more than either of them.

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Stafford has about 700 yards passing more than Rodgers.

That should tell you all you need to know about how irrelevant using just that number is.

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His team wOn 7 more games that last year opposed to 2 and 3 more.

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His team turned over like 2/3rds of their roster.