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re: How many of you truly see Tom Brady as a cheater?

Posted on 9/11/15 at 9:10 am to
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 9:10 am to
Tom Brady missed a FG, Tom Brady went for it from the one and failed, Tom Brady didn't recover the fumble, Tom Brady threw an interception, Tom Brady left gronkowski uncovered in the red zone, Tom Brady assigned a second year short stack CB to guard gronkowski on a fade from the 1



Maybe Mike tomlin is just a shitty head coach
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
82759 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 9:11 am to
Rodgers had previously said it in an interview

ETA - I was wrong it wasn't Aikman maybe Esiason?
This post was edited on 9/11/15 at 9:12 am
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68533 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 9:11 am to
In the Manning vs Brady debate, I'd take Brady, but I view him as a cheat at this time. I don't hate him, I'm really indifferent, just being honest.
Posted by MSUbulldogs03
Member since Apr 2013
2644 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 9:11 am to
You're jelly.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
96272 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 9:12 am to
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AIKMAN SAID IT ON AIR! Rodgers had previously said it in an interview
Nope, you are 100% wrong. They said they tell their ball boys to get the balls how they want it. Neither one of them said they took the balls illegally after inspection and tampered with them
This post was edited on 9/11/15 at 9:13 am
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
68514 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 9:13 am to
Never viewed him as a cheater.

This was just some bs by goodell to make more money.

And of course our society bought into it because we as a whole like drama unfortunately
Posted by SirWinston
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Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 9/11/15 at 9:13 am to
quote:

In the Manning vs Brady debate, I'd take Brady, but I view him as a cheat at this time. I don't hate him, I'm really indifferent, just being honest.


The crazy thing is that there really was a period from like 2011 to 2014 where pretty much everybody actually thought Manning was better than Brady - despite the head to head dominance, ring dominance, and general playoff dominance.

Glad that things got straightened out BC Brady is clearly better than Manning.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
96272 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 9:13 am to
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You're jelly.
This is such a cop out. Brady is one of the greatest Qbs of all time, but he cheated. Im sorry that makes you and others mad
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
96272 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 9:14 am to
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Glad that things got straightened out BC Brady is clearly better than Manning
Except he isnt
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68533 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 9:16 am to
Clearly? I don't know, but for the playoffs I'm going Brady.

I still put Montana above both, though.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71613 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 9:17 am to
quote:

In the Manning vs Brady debate, I'd take Brady, but I view him as a cheat at this time. I don't hate him, I'm really indifferent, just being honest.



Manning is the better technical QB, but Brady is the better overall QB. Manning made throws in his heyday that Brady couldn't even have dreamed of.
Posted by TigerBait2008
Boulder,CO
Member since Jun 2008
32552 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 9:18 am to
Definite cheater not even a doubt about it.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85420 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 9:18 am to
Of course Brady is a cheater. It's akin to saying Bonds isn't a cheater because “everyone“ was doing it - you're still a cheater.

The only problem I have with Brady and the Patriots is how adamantly their ignorant fans (wildcattiger and jcorye cough cough) claim their innocence.

Most of us would take the Patriots recent history, cheating and all. The difference is that we can acknowledge the indiscretions while the Patriots' fans stick their head in the sand.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68533 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 9:19 am to
It's like saying to me "Do you want the Bugatti or the McLaren?"
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
96272 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 9:19 am to
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Clearly? I don't know, but for the playoffs I'm going Brady.
I disagree. I am fine with people that think Brady is better, but there is no clear side to the argument. For example, if Peyton was on the Patriots the last 14 years I think they would still have just as much success. Here is there actual playoff numbers

Brady 63% 253 yds/ game 1.82 tds/g .9 ints/ game 89 rating


Manning 64% 283 yds/game 1.6 tds/ game 1 int/game 89 rating
This post was edited on 9/11/15 at 9:20 am
Posted by MSUbulldogs03
Member since Apr 2013
2644 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 9:21 am to
quote:

he cheated.
Prove it? Because a Colts player claims it was underdeflated after the game, but the refs were handling the ball after every play didn't feel the difference? It was taken to the court of law and they basically said the NFL was retarded for even bringing the case this far, yet you believe it.

quote:

Im sorry that makes you and others mad
Im not even a Brady fan, but it makes me mad that people would so blindly believe he cheated with nothing to base it off of.

Im sorry it makes you so mad that he wins.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
96272 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 9:23 am to
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Prove it?
Did you ask whether we think he is a cheater or if we could prove it? The evidence to me and most people look like he cheated. Is it 100% hard evidence that would hold up in a court of law? No. But the "deflater" text and everything else make it seem "more likely than not" that he cheated? Yes
This post was edited on 9/11/15 at 9:24 am
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
96272 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 9:24 am to
quote:

nothing to base it off of.
Yeh, ok

quote:

Im sorry it makes you so mad that he wins.
Who is made he wins? Once again that is the biggest cop out
This post was edited on 9/11/15 at 9:25 am
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
82759 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 9:24 am to
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It's like saying to me "Do you want the Bugatti or the McLaren? The McLaren's engine tends to overheat when you go over 140. The Bugatti performs best from 120-200."


FIFY. And it's not like Peyton Manning has the John Elway 1980's curse where he was amazing and his team just sucked. Peyton Manning has lost more postseason games in which his team was favored than any player in NFL history, and his stats during those games back it up.
This post was edited on 9/11/15 at 9:28 am
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
96272 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 9:25 am to
quote:

It's like saying to me "Do you want the Bugatti or the McLaren? The McLaren breaks down when you go over 140. The Bugatti performs best from 120-180."
Actually, they perform the same from 120-180.
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