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Posted on 9/17/12 at 3:29 pm to emoney
So is Week 2 over-reaction. I stand by what I said: this is how bad organizations behave. They are completely without a plan and clearly the GM and coach don't talk much. Giving one QB a huge payday and then handing the job off to your third round pick is just veering all over the road. Even if you're right about the 3rd round rookie QB, which seems unlikely looking at historical data, you've just wasted $50 million.
It's a bad franchise making bad decisions on the fly. Hope is not a plan.
It's a bad franchise making bad decisions on the fly. Hope is not a plan.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 3:36 pm to Moustache
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fricking glad Wilson had a good game and Seattle won.
Rantards acting like Flynn is an NFL star is fricking hilarious.
Wilson had a decent game. They will win with defense and their running game, so he won't need to be a superstar.
I just wanted to see Flynn get a chance to perform, more out of curiosity than anything.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 3:36 pm to Baloo
Lol @ you calling Flynn a vet.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 3:37 pm to Baloo
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Even if you're right about the 3rd round rookie QB, which seems unlikely looking at historical data, you've just wasted $50 million.
If you're standing by what you said then you are wrong simply bc the Seahawks didn't give Flynn $50 million it was $27 million total with only $9 million guaranteed.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 3:53 pm to jacks40
Sorry. They wasted $27 million. The point holds.
Bad organizations change their minds early and often, unable to stick to a plan, instead grasping for whatever shiny thing grabs their attention this particular moment. 3rd round QB's have a terrible track record in the NFL, and rookie 3rd rounders have an even worse track record.
If you thought Wilson was something, you should have known before the draft and not paid out for a free agent QB. It's just crazy decision making, based upon wishful thinking.
If Wilson is the next Tom Brady, which is extremely unlikely, your GM should be fired for the Flynn contract. If Wilson fails as a rookie, your coach should be fired for going over the front office's head. Seriously, do they talk? Is there any plan?
If you were going to hand off the job to Wilson, there were a lot cheaper backup options than Flynn. In a cap league, you can't make free agent signings and then essentially set that money on fire. They are getting ZERO production for their cash. That's a horrible investment.
Bad organizations change their minds early and often, unable to stick to a plan, instead grasping for whatever shiny thing grabs their attention this particular moment. 3rd round QB's have a terrible track record in the NFL, and rookie 3rd rounders have an even worse track record.
If you thought Wilson was something, you should have known before the draft and not paid out for a free agent QB. It's just crazy decision making, based upon wishful thinking.
If Wilson is the next Tom Brady, which is extremely unlikely, your GM should be fired for the Flynn contract. If Wilson fails as a rookie, your coach should be fired for going over the front office's head. Seriously, do they talk? Is there any plan?
If you were going to hand off the job to Wilson, there were a lot cheaper backup options than Flynn. In a cap league, you can't make free agent signings and then essentially set that money on fire. They are getting ZERO production for their cash. That's a horrible investment.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 3:55 pm to Baloo
Sucks for Miami. Should've signed Flynn 
Posted on 9/17/12 at 3:56 pm to Baloo
You mad!
Wilson took Flynn's job. It was EARNED!
Wilson took Flynn's job. It was EARNED!
Posted on 9/17/12 at 3:57 pm to tigerfan88
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Starting Wilson was so stupid. A seasoned NFL vet in Matt Flynn with real NFL experience vs a 3rd rounder who had a couple of good preseason games when, wait for it....no one fricking cares. Real smart Petey
This quote is so awesome.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 4:00 pm to Baloo
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Sorry. They wasted $27 million. The point holds.
No because they can cut Flynn after this year and now the money is down to $9 million.
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3rd round QB's have a terrible track record in the NFL
Do 7th rounders have a better track record?
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If you thought Wilson was something, you should have known before the draft and not paid out for a free agent QB
Ridiculous premise. They are 1 team among 32 in a draft and when putting together a plan for the upcoming season It's not bad idea to sign a qb just in case someone else drafts the guy you want.
ETA Also in the "science" that is drafting players it seems ridiculous that you are holding the Seahawks to the standard of having to "know" what Wilson could do 2 months before the draft.
This post was edited on 9/17/12 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 9/17/12 at 4:02 pm to HoLeInOnEr05
Well, considering I called Flynn "Kevin Kolb, part 2" in my post, I don't think I'm mad about Flynn and think he's the awesome. I happen to follow the Seahawks a little for bizarre reasons that not even I understand (I adopted them when the Colts moved). I'm actually more upset by the decision making process. I'd hardly call myself a diehard, I barely pay attention to the Ravens, much less the Seahawks, as I'm not a huge NFL fan at all.
My critique is entirely based on how they seem to be all over the place in their planning, not benching Flynn. In fact, I'm pretty sure I was saying signing Flynn was a mistake.
My critique is entirely based on how they seem to be all over the place in their planning, not benching Flynn. In fact, I'm pretty sure I was saying signing Flynn was a mistake.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 4:07 pm to jacks40
Here's an article on every 2nd and 3rd round QB signed since 1992. Linked primarily for the list of QB's, which won't copy as an image. Oh well:
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Ouch. And that's including 2nd rounders. Also, the surest way to stunt the development of a lower round draft pick QB is to throw them into the fire immediately. Teams play their first rounders right away because of the economics, but you don't have that pressure with a 3rd round guy.
This is essentially the front office equvialent of sprinting across an interstate to get to the other side. Sure, it might work. But that doesn't mean it was a good idea.
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As you can see there were a total of 41 quarterbacks taken in either the second or third round during that time frame. There were some who started quite a few games and had varying degrees of success (i.e. Kordell Stewart, Jake Plummer, Brian Griese) and others who managed to bounce around the league for a quite a while (i.e. Todd Collins, Charlie Batch, Josh McCown, Chris Simms, Charlie Frye) but overall the group leaves a lot to be desired. In fact, so far Drew Brees is the only one who developed into a great quarterback for the team that drafted him and he was the 32nd overall pick, which would be a first rounder today. Also, Brees was so disappointing his first few years in the league that the Chargers used a Top 5 pick on Philip Rivers before he hit his stride. Then they let him leave as a free agent.
So to recap that is 1 out of 41, which equates to about a 2.5% success rate.
Ouch. And that's including 2nd rounders. Also, the surest way to stunt the development of a lower round draft pick QB is to throw them into the fire immediately. Teams play their first rounders right away because of the economics, but you don't have that pressure with a 3rd round guy.
This is essentially the front office equvialent of sprinting across an interstate to get to the other side. Sure, it might work. But that doesn't mean it was a good idea.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 4:11 pm to LSUAlum2001
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Arizona: L
Dallas: L
Green Bay: L
St Louis: ?
If they lose to St Louis and the O is still struggling, I'm guessing Petey will make a switch.
Wilson was 18-34 for 153 and a TD with 55 of those passing yards on the last drive vs Arizona. He had 98 yards through the other 55 minutes.
Remind me again how many yards Flynn had in his last start in Green Bay?
Herpin and Derpin with the best of em
Posted on 9/17/12 at 5:03 pm to Baloo
Just going to ignore everything else and only focus on the round Wilson was drafted in, as if the 1992 NFL draft has some type of practical effect on this years class? ok lets do that.
Let's be clear about that success rate. The only person considered a success is Drew Brees.
A QB who since joining the Saints in 2006 has lead all quarterbacks in passing yards, passing touchdowns, completions, attempts and completion percentage.
We aren't counting a guy like Jake Plummer a 10 year starter with almost 30,000 passing yards and multiple playoff victories as a success?
Matt Schaub a 6 year starter with decent to good #s isn't a success?
Guys like Brian Griese, Charlie Batch, Kordell Stewart not 1 of them was worth giving a shot over 7th round draft picks?
Listen if the only way to be a "successful" draft pick is to be a HOF type player like Brees, then in the entire history of the NFL there is about 300 successful draft picks.
You want to shite on QB's picked in certain rounds, then go find me a few 7th rounders(Matt Flynns round) that have even come close to Jake Plummer type success let alone Drew Brees
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So to recap that is 1 out of 41, which equates to about a 2.5% success rate.Ouch. And that's including 2nd rounders
Let's be clear about that success rate. The only person considered a success is Drew Brees.
A QB who since joining the Saints in 2006 has lead all quarterbacks in passing yards, passing touchdowns, completions, attempts and completion percentage.
We aren't counting a guy like Jake Plummer a 10 year starter with almost 30,000 passing yards and multiple playoff victories as a success?
Matt Schaub a 6 year starter with decent to good #s isn't a success?
Guys like Brian Griese, Charlie Batch, Kordell Stewart not 1 of them was worth giving a shot over 7th round draft picks?
Listen if the only way to be a "successful" draft pick is to be a HOF type player like Brees, then in the entire history of the NFL there is about 300 successful draft picks.
You want to shite on QB's picked in certain rounds, then go find me a few 7th rounders(Matt Flynns round) that have even come close to Jake Plummer type success let alone Drew Brees
Posted on 9/17/12 at 5:11 pm to Baloo
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This is essentially the front office equvialent of sprinting across an interstate to get to the other side. Sure, it might work. But that doesn't mean it was a good idea.
Let's talk about this also.
You think when a team is putting together is draft board and grading out players, instead of focusing on what their scouts, coaches, and players college stats say they should look at the success rate of positions in a certain round going back 20 years?
Hey let's take it a step farther, lets look at how many players drafted at individual spots were good players.
Hey coach no player ever taken with #89 pick in the draft has ever made the HOF. TRADE DOWN TRADE DOWN! Find me a round and pick where there is a high correlation of success!
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