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re: How exactly was the 80-90s NBA better than current? Talent wise
Posted on 6/21/13 at 11:09 am to VermilionTiger
Posted on 6/21/13 at 11:09 am to VermilionTiger
The 80's were amazing. There were a lot more white dudes with 2" verticals.
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Posted on 6/21/13 at 11:09 am to stout
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Again, the game was slower and more physical then. It's why guys like Laimbeer and McHale were so effective. They wouldn't be a factor in todays game though.
You forget Lebron plays the 3. These guys would have to guard his shooting too. There is no way.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 11:12 am to stout
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It's amazing to see him get no respect here. He was as physical as anyone.
I said he was a HOFer and a great player. You define respect differently than I do.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 11:12 am to VermilionTiger
I think players back then were more fundamentally sound. They also played a more "team" oriented game. Ala Duke basketball in college. Once Jordan hit the scene it slowly started changing to a league of individuals. Those days, players 1-5 were all "great" players.
Whereas these days, you have a handful with only 1 or 2 "great" players. And the rest are "role" players who are ok. But they are in for a specific role.
Whereas these days, you have a handful with only 1 or 2 "great" players. And the rest are "role" players who are ok. But they are in for a specific role.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 11:15 am to lsutigerfan1976
Bill Laimbeer would be run out of the league for being way to rough in today's nba. Teams had enforcers back then and they did there job. That would not fly today and they played more team oriented bball.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 11:17 am to PoppaD
I agree that teams were way more fundamentally sound back then. The Spurs are this now IMO. They are an 80s stud team playing right now. I was thinking that last night while watching. Lebron and Wade do a lot of one on one isolation, I'd like to see them work for open shots a lot more then they do. I really think the Heat would be better for it if they ran plays a little more that way.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 11:19 am to lsutigerfan1976
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Whereas these days, you have a handful with only 1 or 2 "great" players. And the rest are "role" players who are ok. But they are in for a specific role.
The Lakers, Celtics, and Pistons from that era are probably the last teams where you could say 1-5 were great players and even 6 and 7 coming off the bench were better than most.
For the Bulls it was MJ, Pippen, and Grant with several role players for those first 3 titles. Now the second 3 peat they had those teams were stacked. I used to love me some Toni Kukoc.
I agree with you about the way teams are structured today.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 11:20 am to Palm Beach Tiger
The better back in the day will exist forever. The reason being is people say, "Jordan beat the Jazz with two great hall of famers in Stockton and malone while Lebron just beat the Spurs and thunder" Well that is true, but 15 years from now we will say Lebron beat the thunder with two or three hall of famers(Durant, Westbrook, Harden) and the spurs with three hall of famers(Duncan, Parker, Ginobli)
Posted on 6/21/13 at 11:22 am to stout
Spurs >>>>>>>>>>> Celtics from any era.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 11:22 am to stout
I'm sure in 10 years people will be saying the 00s were the best then 10 years later the 2010s were the best. It's a cycle where people feel nostalgia and the era they grow up in is better than any other.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 11:22 am to VermilionTiger
Better team basketball and a faster pace. Teams got out and ran more to prevent teams from setting up their defense. The statrment that teams played no defense back then is idiotic to say the least. The reason teams dont score as much today is due to more isolations and less ball movement. Skill across the board has taken a dive as well.
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 11:23 am
Posted on 6/21/13 at 11:26 am to GTownJag4
I may be wrong but wasn't there less free agency also so teams stuck together longer and played better together.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 11:27 am to VermilionTiger
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How exactly was the 80-90s NBA better than current? Talent wise
It wasn't
Posted on 6/21/13 at 11:32 am to TulaneTigerFan
In the 90s you had playing in their primes:
Jordan
Pippen
Thomas
Drexler
Stockton
Malone
Kemp
Barkley
Shaq
Hakeem
Robinson
Ewing
Mourning
Wilkins
Mutumbo
Payton
Hill
Rodman
Miller
You could argue (you'd be wrong likely) that they have the best player at all 5 positions: Stockton, Jordan, Pippen, Malone, Shaq/Hakeem
Edit: I think the main difference is the 4s and 5s in the 80s 90s vs today. Just doesn't compare. The point guards and small forwards today are likely better imo
Jordan
Pippen
Thomas
Drexler
Stockton
Malone
Kemp
Barkley
Shaq
Hakeem
Robinson
Ewing
Mourning
Wilkins
Mutumbo
Payton
Hill
Rodman
Miller
You could argue (you'd be wrong likely) that they have the best player at all 5 positions: Stockton, Jordan, Pippen, Malone, Shaq/Hakeem
Edit: I think the main difference is the 4s and 5s in the 80s 90s vs today. Just doesn't compare. The point guards and small forwards today are likely better imo
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 11:33 am
Posted on 6/21/13 at 11:32 am to Palm Beach Tiger
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Rodman would give him fits, I'll give you that one.
doubtful, Lebron outweighs Rodman by 50+
Todays players are just so much more physically dominating compared to this rebound leader: 6'8" 220 lbs; not even once.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 11:34 am to Buckeye06
I think in 10 years everyone will be able to appreciate the players that are playing now. Who too will be Hall of Fame players.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 11:34 am to VermilionTiger
It seems like today everybody on the court is best friends with each other. Back then you have a few guys on opposing teams that were friends, but for the most part guys on opposite sides in those big games really did not like each other.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 11:35 am to Buckeye06
quote:You could argue that now or in any era for that matter: CP3, Kobe/Durant,Lebron,Duncan, Shaq(Shaq won his titles and finals MVPs in the 2000's)
You could argue (you'd be wrong likely) that they have the best player at all 5 positions: Stockton, Jordan, Pippen, Malone, Shaq/Hakeem
Posted on 6/21/13 at 11:36 am to SabiDojo
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Spurs >>>>>>>>>>> Celtics from any era.
LOL
No team today will accomplish a 4 year run like this outside of maybe Miami. If not for injuries to Bird and McHale this may have gone on even longer for Boston.
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83-84 62-20 reg season and won the championship over Lakers
84-85 63-19 lost championship to Lakers
85-86 67-15 won championship over Lakers
86-87 59-23 lost championship to Lakers
Those Celtics and Laker teams of the 80's were awesome and yes Free Agency has messed up seeing stacked teams like that which is why people dog Miami so much today because it isn't the norm anymore. The only difference is how long will Miami stay together. Back then those teams could make it 8-10 years with no real major turnover.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 11:38 am to BarbeTiger
quote:Not really (or at least not entirely). Magic and Bird birthed the golden era of the NBA with the help of some others. It really grew until MJ's retirement and then there was a huge lull (that still had some great players but not the same identity) until the recent influx of young super stars. I think/hope we are entering or are in another golden era for the NBA.
I'm sure in 10 years people will be saying the 00s were the best then 10 years later the 2010s were the best.
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