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How can coaching at the highest levels be persistently so bad?
Posted on 2/6/17 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 2/6/17 at 12:56 pm
Is it because even younger coaches still believe in "feel" instead of relying on probabilities? When will this backwards thinking go away? I certainly don't believe everything can be reduced to just numbers, but the 4th quarter for the Falcons was like watching a Les Miles Special.
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Posted on 2/6/17 at 12:58 pm to Big Scrub TX
The game plan was exceptional
Stress and pressure makes some of the best crack and fall apart.
Stress and pressure makes some of the best crack and fall apart.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 12:58 pm to Big Scrub TX
Les Miles lost because he would be too conservative.
Falcons lost because they wouldn't get conservative enough.
Falcons lost because they wouldn't get conservative enough.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 12:59 pm to Big Scrub TX
Most coaches are just meatheads.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 1:01 pm to Master of Sinanju
not many coaches are geniuses, take away tom herman.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 1:02 pm to TheCaterpillar
I don't view it as conservative or not. More like not going what the situation calls for.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 1:03 pm to Big Scrub TX
As ridiculous as it sounds, maybe when kids who have played Madden all their lives get into the coaching ranks, this stuff will stop. Otherwise, your average football coach is a glorified gym teacher.
This post was edited on 2/6/17 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 2/6/17 at 1:04 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:Which is why I would be so frustrated as a Falcon fan. If the rules in football were: First one to score 40 wins, then ATL wins that game last night because they keep the same plan. However, that clock in football really screws with people.
The game plan was exceptional
More football coaches need to coach with a tennis mentality.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 1:08 pm to Bunk Moreland
quote:
As ridiculous as it sounds, maybe when kids who have played Madden all their lives get into the coaching ranks, this stuff will stop. Otherwise, your average football coach is a glorified gym teacher.
Please tell me that this doesn't imply what it seems to.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 1:12 pm to High C
That's a little far, but there has honestly been a lot of discussion on here about how dudes playing video games their whole lives can probably handle clock management and special situations better than many of these meatheads (think Les). Top guys like Belichick and Saban are one thing, but I feel like most football coaches are dense. I feel the exact opposite about hoops coaches - 80% seem like they would be great businessmen/lawyers/etc.
This post was edited on 2/6/17 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 2/6/17 at 1:18 pm to Big Scrub TX
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but the 4th quarter for the Falcons was like watching a Les Miles Special.
Yeah ... because if there's one thing CLM was well-known for ... it was being pass-happy and refusing to run the ball.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 1:23 pm to navy
the Falcons game plan was great. They had like 90 yards rushing in the first quarter and finished with 104. Julio Jones barely even got looked at. They took their foot off the gas too early. And then tried to get super aggressive too late.
Not sure what happened in the halftime locker room for the Falcons, but it wasn't great.
Not sure what happened in the halftime locker room for the Falcons, but it wasn't great.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 1:33 pm to hashtag
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They took their foot off the gas too early
They did not. After going up 28-3 mid way through the third quarter they ran the ball a total of 5 times for the rest of the game.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 1:40 pm to Bunk Moreland
quote:I think we'll eventually see NFL teams either hire or designate someone to be their clock management specialist.
That's a little far, but there has honestly been a lot of discussion on here about how dudes playing video games their whole lives can probably handle clock management and special situations better than many of these meatheads (think Les).
It's pretty easy to do on Madden, but in real life, the coach has probably 100 things on his mind and personnel decisions and just any and everything you can possibly think of that you don't really have to worry about with Madden. I think all of that is on a coach's mind, and it's possible that that is why you'll see some bad decisions, generally speaking. It'll get to a point where they'll have a guy and all he does is worry about the clock, I think.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 1:41 pm to hashtag
quote:How so?
They took their foot off the gas too early
I think they only called 4 runs from 28-3 to the rest of the game.
The biggest blunders were the fumble on a pass play and the sack, again, on a pass play.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 1:45 pm to hashtag
quote:
They took their foot off the gas too early.
I don't think they changed much at all.
28-9 3rd Quarter 2:06
Pass for 9yds
Run for -1 (Holding #70)
Pass Incomplete
Sack
28-12 4th Quarter 9:44
Run for 8yds
Run for 1yd
Sack fumble
28-20 4th Quarter 5:53
Pass for 39 yds
Run for 2 yds
Pass for 27yds
Run for -1
Sack
Pass for 9yds (Holding #70)
Pass Incomplete
3 Incredibly costly sacks and 2 holding calls pretty much sealed their fate.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 1:46 pm to shel311
Read this story from a fall issue of SI
quote:
Garrett has adopted at least one of Smith’s doctrines. “The biggest thing we talk about [when reviewing film of clock decisions] is being honest,” he says. “Independent of the outcome, did we handle this the right way? I coached under Nick Saban for two years, and that was something he always stressed. You’ve gotta be careful about saying, Well, it worked out, so we handled it correctly. You have to evaluate these things independent of the result. Then you institute [what you learned] in practice.”
From Chapter 20 of Smith’s book: “Without constant practice, the coaches will be nervous and undecided when mustering for the game; without constant practice, the head coach will be wavering and irresolute when the crisis is at hand. The previous sentence is a paraphrasing from the strategy classic The Art of War, written by China’s Sun Tzu—2,500 years ago. [Practicing] this stuff is difficult,” he goes on. “If it is allowed to embarrass, it will be avoided. And the ones most vulnerable to embarrassment—the coach and the QBs—are the ones who can least afford to avoid it.”
Posted on 2/6/17 at 1:48 pm to navy
quote:Process vs Result, I mention just that al the time on here.
The biggest thing we talk about [when reviewing film of clock decisions] is being honest,” he says. “Independent of the outcome, did we handle this the right way? I coached under Nick Saban for two years, and that was something he always stressed. You’ve gotta be careful about saying, Well, it worked out, so we handled it correctly. You have to evaluate these things independent of the result. Then you institute [what you learned] in practice.”
Posted on 2/6/17 at 1:50 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:Been preaching it since last night, Big Scrub. How NFL teams don't have econ/stats guys in the booth for situations like this is beyond me. They really don't understand risk reward scenarios very well. It is so frustrating.
Big Scrub TX
Posted on 2/6/17 at 1:50 pm to shel311
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Process vs Result, I mention just that al the time on here.
It applies to more than just football/sports.
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