re: hearing rumors FSU & Clem to SEC, PAC raiding Big 12, big 4 Conferences forming

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I would prefer Virginia Tech

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keep preferring but its not happening

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i fear we are going to have to explain all this shite again, ala conf changes board.

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i really hope not, some people could not get it through their heads

Pretty sure the Big 12 schools have given all their tv rights to the conference for 13 years so your friend (your arse)that you are getting your info from is full of shat.

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Pretty sure the Big 12 schools have given all their tv rights to the conference for 13 years so your friend (your arse)that you are getting your info from is full of shat.

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good find wish it had more info about the tier 3 stuff

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exactly, THIS is what would make any Big12 schools hard to poach to another conference. Worthless without bringing their TV rights with them.

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what is that like 26 million per school my math is awful

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Rumors will not be tolerated. News must at least be reported by a mainstream media outlet to support its posting

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then what is the point of a message board? to just rehash previously reported info back and forth?

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Pretty sure the Big 12 schools have given all their tv rights to the conference for 13 years so your friend (your arse)that you are getting your info from is full of shat.

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He indeed might be. But there were 3 of them. One with insider connections, and the 2 others not. But all 3 are close. So indeed maybe the other 2 got it from the one, or backwards, I do not yet know. I am still trying to figure it out.

Regardless, your post does not remotely address anything I have addressed. Simply, if the PAC desires to raid the Big-12, they will. And if several walk away from the Big-12, how does it matter that the Big-12 gave all their TV rights away? One issue does not have anything to do with the other.

For if Oklahoma, and others join the PAC, then they have pay whatever exit fee's, or contract cancels or whatever. And such has shown that all the schools with their lawyers negotiate down very much the amounts paid. And history has shown us, if a School wants to join another Conference bad enough, there is nothing one single Conference can do to stop them from leaving. IE, TAMU, IE, West Virginia, ect...

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He indeed might be. But there were 3 of them. One with insider connections, and the 2 others not. But all 3 are close. So indeed maybe the other 2 got it from the one, or backwards, I do not yet know. I am still trying to figure it out.

Regardless, your post does not remotely address anything I have addressed. Simply, if the PAC desires to raid the Big-12, they will. And if several walk away from the Big-12, how does it matter that the Big-12 gave all their TV rights away? One issue does not have anything to do with the other.

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If they gave all their tv rights to the conference that means that any tv money (for 1 & 2 tiers) goes to the Big 12 and not the schools. SO if UT, TTU, OU, and OSU went to the Pac 16. Their money would go to the Big 12 and not them. You would have to have 6 or 8 schools walk away not just 4 to dissolve the conference.

if you're asking how much a Big12 school's total TV rights are worth after the proposed new TV deal with ESPN/ABC then it should be no less than 20 million per school for Tier1/2 rights, then add:

1. An amount based on possible expansion, rumors have been $2million per team per school added (not all coming from ESPN, but from a combination of ESPN/Fox), plus
2. An amount due to a CCG because of the expansion, I've seen numbers like $1.5 mill per school, plus
3. Regardless if 1 or 2 happen, a variable amount for Tier 3 rights based on the market value of the particular school (I'm just talking football here). Let's say Iowa State has the least value (probably not far off from the truth)...about 1.2 million households in Iowa, let's say 10% are Iowa State fans, so 120,000 Istate households and Iowa State sells 1 fb game a year on pay per view (which for years has been a preferred method of selling Tier 3 fb rights in the Big 12 for many schools, Texas included prior to the LHN). If they charge $10 then that's 1.2 million...$50 is 6 million etc.
4. Add in money for Tier 3 programming in all other sports, which includes some but not all basketball games and pretty much everything else.

So end of day it seems like a Big12 athletic department that did minimal work to monetize its Tier 3 rights is going to get 21-22 million while others that maximize it could be in the 30-35 range.


sorry for long post

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See my above edited post...

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Still not going to happen. Texas isn't giving up the LHN, OU is working on a network, TTU just signed an agreement to cover all their sports. I would imagine that OSU would follow suit. Plus I don't think the the PAC 12 would want to fight the lawsuits that would be thrown out there. Baylor screwed A&M for almost a month and that would be minor compared to the lawsuits filled. I bet that FSU and Clemson go to the Big 12, because they probably are pissed at the tv contract it sucks giant monkey nuts. I also wouldn't be surprised if GT, Miami, Louisville, and ND joined the Big 12 to form the 1st mega conference