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re: Has there ever been an NBA player teetering on greatness/irrelevancy as much as Hardwn?
Posted on 5/6/22 at 9:49 am to ReauxlTide222
Posted on 5/6/22 at 9:49 am to ReauxlTide222
Bron didn’t even make the playoffs this year with no AD.
Last year, Bron lost in rd 1 with no AD.
Harden never had a losing season. And has won at least one playoff series for damn near a decade.
Bron been outta round one only once in the last 4 seasons.
There is levels
Last year, Bron lost in rd 1 with no AD.
Harden never had a losing season. And has won at least one playoff series for damn near a decade.
Bron been outta round one only once in the last 4 seasons.
There is levels
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Posted on 5/6/22 at 9:50 am to ReauxlTide222
I like all of em. One on its own doesn’t mean a whole lot but when you got 4-5 of them that all agree that’s when you have your answer.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 9:51 am to Boomshockalocka
But hear me out, Lebron has been playing amazing basketball.
I’m worried about Harden.
Is he not capable of taking over anymore?
I’m worried about Harden.
Is he not capable of taking over anymore?
Posted on 5/6/22 at 9:53 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:Lebron really is top 3 in the league still
I like all of em. One on its own doesn’t mean a whole lot but when you got 4-5 of them that all agree that’s when you have your answer.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 9:55 am to ReauxlTide222
he has dominated several playoff games this season. When you are without embiid and only have 3 good players on the team, a coach like Spo is gonna build a wall and double team. Make the other guys beat them. that is the respect that he has earned.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 9:56 am to Boomshockalocka
No one is arguing that Harden is a bad player. Everyone knows he is a very good player
Some of the dribble you have said in this thread is hilarious, saying that a Game 1 is the same importance as a game 7. You can say they all matter the same because they do, but no one is as nervous before Game 1 as they are befor Game 7. If you win the first 4 you don't have to ever play a game 7, but that's not realistic
Harden in games where his "legacy" is on the line has not been good. you don't need to keep deflecting and saying "but he's better than Chris Paul and outplayed these 5 HOFers in other series who btw have all won championship rings".
You can just admit Harden has had some really bad games in really big positions. He can still have all time good numbers and not be the guy you want to take over in the 4th. You can point to BPM or PER all you want. No one is taking James Harden over Dwyane Wade or Kobe Bryant (the next 2 guys on Playoff PER behind Harden).
Tracy McGrady, as pointed out earlier has better PER and BPM than a dozen players people would take over him in a big game in the playoffs. It doesn't make McGrady a bad player, but it also doesnt make him one of the best ever
Some of the dribble you have said in this thread is hilarious, saying that a Game 1 is the same importance as a game 7. You can say they all matter the same because they do, but no one is as nervous before Game 1 as they are befor Game 7. If you win the first 4 you don't have to ever play a game 7, but that's not realistic
Harden in games where his "legacy" is on the line has not been good. you don't need to keep deflecting and saying "but he's better than Chris Paul and outplayed these 5 HOFers in other series who btw have all won championship rings".
You can just admit Harden has had some really bad games in really big positions. He can still have all time good numbers and not be the guy you want to take over in the 4th. You can point to BPM or PER all you want. No one is taking James Harden over Dwyane Wade or Kobe Bryant (the next 2 guys on Playoff PER behind Harden).
Tracy McGrady, as pointed out earlier has better PER and BPM than a dozen players people would take over him in a big game in the playoffs. It doesn't make McGrady a bad player, but it also doesnt make him one of the best ever
Posted on 5/6/22 at 10:00 am to Buckeye06
wade and Kobe played with prime lebron and prime Shaq.
Harden never had a teammate like that. If he did, multiple rings
Player for player he outplayed both of them across the board. Playoffs or regular season.
Harden never had a teammate like that. If he did, multiple rings
Player for player he outplayed both of them across the board. Playoffs or regular season.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 10:03 am to Buckeye06
quote:
Tracy McGrady, as pointed out earlier has better PER and BPM than a dozen players people would take over him in a big game in the playoffs. It doesn't make McGrady a bad player, but it also doesnt make him one of the best ever
Can you dig a little deeper?
Harden played 3x the playoff games McGrady did. McGrady never played outside of the first round.
You can’t compare a player who is up only against rd 1 caliber opponents to one who is always advancing and playing legitimate contenders.
It is a “strength of schedule” issue. There is many players who if you only took their round 1 stats would be better than Tracy.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 10:06 am to Buckeye06
quote:
Harden in games where his "legacy" is on the line has not been good. you don't need to keep deflecting and saying "but he's better than Chris Paul and outplayed these 5 HOFers in other series who btw have all won championship rings".
Only if you cherry pick legacy games as the ones he lost. Has had many monster games in important games and won.
Last week he closed out the raptors with a huge game. That of course won’t be included as a legacy game, because he won. That’s how these narratives work.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 10:25 am to Boomshockalocka
Posted on 5/6/22 at 10:40 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:
Last week he closed out the raptors with a huge game. That of course won’t be included as a legacy game, because he won. That’s how these narratives work.
Huge closing game with 22 points while the better player on the team is dropping huge game closing 3’s and watching Harden drop 14, 15, and 19 points during the series
That series is doing for Harden’s legacy exactly what this series is doing
And it ain’t good
Posted on 5/6/22 at 10:40 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:
Harden never had a teammate like that. If he did, multiple rings
He literally had KD going bonkers last year but he didn't hold up his end of the bargain and got hurt.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 10:41 am to ReauxlTide222
He had 15 assists and was a +38. Every time he had the ball he generated a wide open look for his teammates or scored himself. Masterful performance.
Not a “legacy game”. But if he had a bad game and they blew a 3-0 lead it would have been a “legacy game”.
That is the intellectual dishonesty that exists here.
Not a “legacy game”. But if he had a bad game and they blew a 3-0 lead it would have been a “legacy game”.
That is the intellectual dishonesty that exists here.
This post was edited on 5/6/22 at 10:42 am
Posted on 5/6/22 at 10:43 am to ReauxlTide222
News flash embiid passed protocol
Another news flash. When these guys met in the playoffs harden outplayed lebron.
Another news flash. When these guys met in the playoffs harden outplayed lebron.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 10:53 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:Hey guys, the most you can expect out of the best offensive player of all time is 18 points per game.
When you are without embiid and only have 3 good players on the team, a coach like Spo is gonna build a wall and double team. Make the other guys beat them.
You simply can't ask him for more.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 11:10 am to shel311
Not his peak self This year. Finally had an injury after being the most durable player for over a decade. Still clear all star level. Top 3 playmaker and winner.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 11:16 am to Boomshockalocka
“Top 3 playmaker and winner.”
This is just laughably false
This is just laughably false
Posted on 5/6/22 at 11:20 am to Boomshockalocka
“he has dominated several playoff games this season.“
Lmfao, dude if you cared about your arguments you wouldn’t purposely destroy your credibility with post like these.
Lmfao, dude if you cared about your arguments you wouldn’t purposely destroy your credibility with post like these.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 11:23 am to Madking
he has won more games than any other player the last decade and has made a deep playoff run for 6 straight years. No other star is even at 4 iirc.
0 career losing seasons
0 career seasons missing playoffs
0 career losing seasons
0 career seasons missing playoffs
This post was edited on 5/6/22 at 11:24 am
Posted on 5/6/22 at 11:31 am to Boomshockalocka
2nd round isn’t a deep playoff run.
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