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re: Has there ever been a round of boxing better than Rnd 1 Hagler/Hearns?
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:30 pm to tidalmouse
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:30 pm to tidalmouse
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Hearns mind was gone after this shot.
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:31 pm to sms151t
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He dances and jabs Leonard in 14 and 15 he wins (or should have). But it being in Vegas Leonard never lost in Vegas, because of I believe he paid judges.
I don't think anyone beats a prime Hearns if he fights that way. That long jab would have punished anyone. Kinda like Klitschko does nowadays with the heavyweights.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:35 pm to Marciano1
I just never understood why Manny didn't train him to be a Breland type
He was Breland with better skills and chin but Manny had him fight like a Heavy with no speed at times.
If Hearns is trained like Kronk trained Lewis, he's unbeaten probably.
He was Breland with better skills and chin but Manny had him fight like a Heavy with no speed at times.
If Hearns is trained like Kronk trained Lewis, he's unbeaten probably.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:41 pm to sms151t
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If Hearns is trained like Kronk trained Lewis, he's unbeaten probably.
Manny did a great job with Lewis and Klitschko. He trained them to be unstoppable heavyweights and protected their suspect chins. I mean, Klitschko was a big man with a glass jaw and was getting KO'd by jokers....and now he's a 10yr+ champion.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:54 pm to Marciano1
I was not a Hearns fan when he fought but grew to appreciate him after he retired. Watching him pick apart Leonard in the second fight and get jobbed made me rewatch his fights.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 11:23 pm to Marciano1
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I don't think anyone beats a prime Hearns if he fights that way. That long jab would have punished anyone. Kinda like Klitschko does nowadays with the heavyweights.
Being tall and long is helpful, but not the end all be all of boxing. Aaron Pryor beating Arguello twice is proof positive of this. A long jab is rendered useless when the opponent maneuvers inside it and throws punches in bunches at you.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 11:24 pm to sms151t
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I was not a Hearns fan when he fought but grew to appreciate him after he retired. Watching him pick apart Leonard in the second fight and get jobbed made me rewatch his fights.
I'm sort of the same way except that I still really don't like him. When I watch old fights of his, I find myself still rooting for him to lose.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 11:25 pm to Marciano1
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Manny did a great job with Lewis and Klitschko. He trained them to be unstoppable heavyweights and protected their suspect chins. I mean, Klitschko was a big man with a glass jaw and was getting KO'd by jokers....and now he's a 10yr+ champion.
No good heavyweights.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 11:43 pm to SystemsGo
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Being tall and long is helpful, but not the end all be all of boxing. Aaron Pryor beating Arguello twice is proof positive of this. A long jab is rendered useless when the opponent maneuvers inside it and throws punches in bunches at you.
Moreover, if we're talking boxing bodies, I don't if any one had a better one than Marvin Hagler. He's leggy and lean and sturdy and strong all at once.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 7:34 am to NCLSUWSPFAN
Yes, he was robbed
Posted on 4/3/15 at 10:09 am to sms151t
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Steward would have told him to run he wins the fight. The fight was over after that round. Haglers cut would've stopped it. Geno and Pat Petrocelli had no clue how to stop it either.
Hearnes had the boxing skills to just dance away, but for whatever reason Manny didn't say anything.
Not enough "running" room in the world could have saved Hearns from Hagler. "Dancing" lessons from Michael Jackson could not help Hearns.
Emmanuel Steward would tell you that sometimes in boxing there are bad matchups & Hagler was a bad match up for Hearns
Hearns recollection on the fight:
" I punched him again & again as hard ad I could . I wondered how on earth is he...this fool(Hagler) taking these shots . I hit him with everything I had ...he was unreal..a freak....He just kept coming , I'm not a quitter , but Think I lost heart. All I could do was keep popping(jabbing) as he came forward."
Someplace else Hearns said(paraphrase): "I tried to box him(Hagler) but he wouldn't let me.".
You can see Hearns could not keep an advancing Hagler away despite futilty switching to jabbing instead of brawling.. Hagler simply dictated the fight & Hearns had little chance.
Hagler had perhaps the greatest chin in boxing history & was never knocked down (1 slip/push that was incorrectly called a knock down) in nearly 70 fights.
Hearns had no serious chance . Bad matchup .
Posted on 4/3/15 at 10:20 am to Roaad
Posted on 4/3/15 at 10:31 am to sugar71
Hearns had him cut open he only had to end the 3rd round. If you watch the fight you see the ref basically telling Petrocelli get it stopped or we stop it between round 1 and 2 and round 2 and 3. They were going to give him that round and that was it. People seem to forget that Hagler was cut very bad and Hearns had the fight if he stays on his feet for the 3rd round.
Hagler could not of beat the doctor.
ETA:
I am a huge Hagler fan and still am pissed this day that Vegas gave Leonard the fight in 87. There is in no way the Champ should ever have to concede fight length, ring space, or billing. But somehow Ray Leonard got all the things he wanted in that fight.
Hagler could not of beat the doctor.
ETA:
I am a huge Hagler fan and still am pissed this day that Vegas gave Leonard the fight in 87. There is in no way the Champ should ever have to concede fight length, ring space, or billing. But somehow Ray Leonard got all the things he wanted in that fight.
This post was edited on 4/3/15 at 10:37 am
Posted on 4/3/15 at 10:41 am to Roaad
Hearns 2 round annihilation of Roberto Duran is perhaps what Hearns thought he could accomplish against Hagler:
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Duran is considered the greatest lightweight of all time & top ten pound for pound by the Ring magazine.
Hearns dispatched him in 2 rounds with 3 knockdowns.
1)A straight right floors him & Duran is on "queer street" according to the announcers.
2) a left uppercut lifts Duran 3 inches off the mat but he is saved by the bell.. "Duran is on queer street". ...."Duran is going to the wrong corner"... "this is not gonna last"
(no shite).
3rd knickdown is a vicious straight right which causes Duran to fall face forward & his corner scrapes him off the mat..
Duran never really wants a rematch. As great as Duran was Hearns was an awful match up.
Likewise Hagler was a bad match up for Hearns.
Emmanuel Steward is glad his fighter didn't get ruined in that fight & gladly moved on.
LINK
Duran is considered the greatest lightweight of all time & top ten pound for pound by the Ring magazine.
Hearns dispatched him in 2 rounds with 3 knockdowns.
1)A straight right floors him & Duran is on "queer street" according to the announcers.
2) a left uppercut lifts Duran 3 inches off the mat but he is saved by the bell.. "Duran is on queer street". ...."Duran is going to the wrong corner"... "this is not gonna last"
(no shite). 3rd knickdown is a vicious straight right which causes Duran to fall face forward & his corner scrapes him off the mat..
Duran never really wants a rematch. As great as Duran was Hearns was an awful match up.
Likewise Hagler was a bad match up for Hearns.
Emmanuel Steward is glad his fighter didn't get ruined in that fight & gladly moved on.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 10:52 am to sugar71
I'm loving all of these old school fight threads that have been popping up recently.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 11:20 am to TTownTiger
Hagler was robbed against Leonard. Close fight but Hagler landed harder punches and he was champ! Leonard needed to do more to get belt. Hagler is my favorite of all time. A true warrior.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 11:27 am to sms151t
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I am a huge Hagler fan and still am pissed this day that Vegas gave Leonard the fight in 87. There is in no way the Champ should ever have to concede fight length, ring space, or billing. But somehow Ray Leonard got all the things he wanted in that fight.
Read a great article about this fight several years ago. Mentioned all of the things you stated above, plus Leonard basically admitting he "stole" rounds by flurrying in the last 30 seconds. None of those punches had any effect whatsoever. Total screw job. Hagler is still unhappy about it even all these years later.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 11:27 am to sms151t
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Hearns had him cut open he only had to end the 3rd round. If you watch the fight you see the ref basically telling Petrocelli get it stopped or we stop it between round 1 and 2 and round 2 and 3. They were going to give him that round and that was it. People seem to forget that Hagler was cut very bad and Hearns had the fight if he stays on his feet for the 3rd round.
"IF" he stays on his feet. Hearns legs were like Jello in round 2- He was done & Hagler's cut was to the forehead (perhaps an accidental headbuut/forearm) & the ring Doctor immediately waved away Steele.
Riots may have ensued had the fight been stopped.
Hagler was not hurt & Hearns legs were gone in the 2nd round.
Manny StewArd is pleading with Hearns to keep boxing(combo & move) ,but Hagler kept advancing right into those punches.. Hearns confirms that 'he would nit stop coming' & 'he would not let me box'.
When you see how Hearns dispatches Duran it's even more impressive how Hagler simply walks right into Hearns jabs & best punches.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 11:33 am to TTownTiger
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I'm loving all of these old school fight threads that have been popping up recently
Thread has got me watching some MW fights right now on YouTube.
Classic boxing (& maybe Track)is the only sport I can watch.
I was checking out Julian Jackson & Gerald McClellan highlights.
Julian Jackson must have been one the the greatest one punch ko artist of all time
Check out Julian Jackosn ko of Herol Graham .
Jackson was usually outclassed by great boxers ,but if he connected . Good night.
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