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re: Halladay likely to Phillies (MLB Network)
Posted on 7/24/09 at 6:23 pm to CM84
Posted on 7/24/09 at 6:23 pm to CM84
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would do whatever it takes to win a championship when you can.. The opportunity doesnt always come and when its there u have to seize the moment.
in most cases I agree, but not this one. They just won a world series. When they weren't supposed to. They've seen how unpredictable postseason baseball is, and selling the future for a percentage bump in their chances is pretty risky.
it's just a matter or willingness to spend. Say they lose in the first round of the playoffs with Halladay, then next year are 10 games back at the deadline so they decide to trade Halladay to recoup nickels on their dollar.
It'll be a pretty bad feeling if that happens and they're sitting there with no Halladay, no WS, and having to watch what they traded possibly succeed with another team.
Look at the Teixeira-Atlanta trade. It was lauded at the time, but three years on it's a fail of epic proportions.
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Posted on 7/24/09 at 6:23 pm to CM84
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Lee, Hamels, Happ?
I think its better than what they have but I have never been sold on Lee..I dont think it would make them the favorites, but better
Posted on 7/24/09 at 6:24 pm to CM84
sox can throw in v-tek for the halladay trade too.
buck, penny, smoltz, v-tek, jd drew, and lowell.
penny is throwing 97-99 today.
buck, penny, smoltz, v-tek, jd drew, and lowell.
penny is throwing 97-99 today.
This post was edited on 7/24/09 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 7/24/09 at 6:28 pm to CM84
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LfcSU3520
I think we just have a difference of opinion on what we would do..U said a lot of what if's about Halladay and I could say the same about Happ or Drybek..What if Happ is a one year fluke? or like a Steve Avery or when the league see's him a lil more and gets more film--will he still be able to dominate?
Halladay makes them better this year and next..what happens in the future who knows but they put themselves in position for 3 straight championships with Halladay
This post was edited on 7/24/09 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 7/24/09 at 6:30 pm to CM84
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buck, penny, smoltz, v-tek, jd drew, and lowell.
Would never happen, not enough prospects.
Posted on 7/24/09 at 6:39 pm to CM84
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Halladay makes them better this year and next..what happens in the future who knows but they put themselves in position for 3 straight championships with Halladay
The problem with this is that playoff baseball is such a crapshoot that as good as Halladay is he might not have a huge impact on the percentage chance they win a championship the next two years. You have to decide if 6 years of Drabek and 6 years of Happ all cost controlled is worth giving up for an unknown but likely not huge increase in championship potential.
This post was edited on 7/24/09 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 7/24/09 at 6:41 pm to someoldhussy
that.
IMO both is too high a price...one is fair.
I guarantee you though that there is some hand wringing and sleepless nights going on in the Phils front office.
IMO both is too high a price...one is fair.
I guarantee you though that there is some hand wringing and sleepless nights going on in the Phils front office.
Posted on 7/24/09 at 6:46 pm to CM84
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Agree..U have to not watch baseball to gurantte Kershaw will win a Cy Young..U know how many good to great pitchers never won a cy young.
Also let me kno when Tim Lincecum is ready to give up that award.
So I don't watch baseball
I just meant he will be a Cy Young candidate for a long time barring any injuries. The "you just have to watch him pitch an inning" comment was just in response to your gay arse crystal ball comment, it wasn't to be taken seriously.
And BTW when Lincecum was 21 he was still pitching in college. And no I am not saying Kershaw is better than Lincecum, just pointing that out to show how adavnces Kershaw is.
Posted on 7/24/09 at 6:47 pm to LfcSU3520
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6 years of Drabek and 6 years of Happ
Unproven commondities...But its a game of percentages (we kno baseball is a game of numbers) and we kno its a crapshoot and anything can happen...But with Halladay the percentages go up to win a championship this year. Bats could go cold..Pitching could struggle..Bullpen may suck but u have to put the best players on the field to give the ballclub a chance. Thats why u have the best players to make it less of a crapshoot
Posted on 7/24/09 at 6:49 pm to CM84
i hope the phillies do make the move. i don't think they can possibly get any better right now.. so maybe it will cause some sort of backfire and they start skidding.
Posted on 7/24/09 at 6:50 pm to CM84
Its not like the Phillies are reaching for anything...They are getting the most dominate pitcher in from the AMerican League.
This isnt like when the Mets traded a top prospect Scott Kazmir for a mid level starter in Victor Zambrano.
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It isnt like when the Mets made Lastings Milledege an untouchable prospect..(look how that worked out)
This isnt like when the Mets traded a top prospect Scott Kazmir for a mid level starter in Victor Zambrano.
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It isnt like when the Mets made Lastings Milledege an untouchable prospect..(look how that worked out)
Posted on 7/24/09 at 6:51 pm to beauchristopher
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i hope the phillies do make the move. i don't think they can possibly get any better right now.. so maybe it will cause some sort of backfire and they start skidding.
cant get any better by adding the best pitcher in the AL to their team?
come on....
Posted on 7/24/09 at 6:52 pm to tduecen
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You don't trade a 21 year old future Cy Young winner.
Thats what u said.
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I just meant he will be a Cy Young candidate for a long time barring any injuries.
Now your backtracking..Saying he would be a candidate at somepoint his career is not a stretch..but theres a huge diffence between winning a cy young or being a candidate a year or two
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And BTW when Lincecum was 21 he was still pitching in college. And no I am not saying Kershaw is better than Lincecum, just pointing that out to show how adavnces Kershaw is.
..Your showing your lack on baseball knowledge..So every pitcher whose pitched in the league before 23,24 is more advanced than Lincecum..If so then what? it doesnt show anything..Theres been many pitchers in the league before 23This post was edited on 7/24/09 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 7/24/09 at 7:00 pm to CM84
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i hope the phillies do make the move. i don't think they can possibly get any better right now.. so maybe it will cause some sort of backfire and they start skidding.
If they cant get any better than i guess you think the phills are def goin to when the World Series with the roster the presently have, right?
Posted on 7/24/09 at 7:04 pm to CM84
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Your showing your lack on baseball knowledge..So every pitcher whose pitched in the league before 23,24 is more advanced than Lincecum..If so then what? it doesnt show anything..Theres been many pitchers in the league before 23
You see I knew you would take the Lincecum shite out of context. I was comparing what Kershaw is doing to where Lincecum was at this age, to show how amazing he has been at 21. I even stated as I said it that it wasn't a knock on Lincecum. Whatever no use of argueing with somebody that tries to switch my words around to make a case.
Posted on 7/24/09 at 7:11 pm to 1ranter1
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You see I knew you would take the Lincecum shite out of context. I was comparing what Kershaw is doing to where Lincecum was at this age, to show how amazing he has been at 21. I even stated as I said it that it wasn't a knock on Lincecum. Whatever no use of argueing with somebody that tries to switch my words around to make a case.
Why would u even make that statement? Theres been many pitchers that pitched well at young age. Does him pitching well at 21 determines what he will do in the future? Is it going to gurantee him a Cy Young like you said? It was an irrelevant statement.
This post was edited on 7/24/09 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 7/24/09 at 7:13 pm to CM84
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just pointing that out to show how adavnces Kershaw is.
My Response: So every pitcher whose pitched in the league before 23,24 is more advanced than Lincecum---I didnt take it out of context
This post was edited on 7/24/09 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 7/24/09 at 7:13 pm to CM84
To compare what he is doing at 21 to what the best pitcher in baseball was doing at 21. Just in case you didnt understand how amazing it is for a 21 year old to be dominating the majors, when most 21 year olds are in AA or just getting drafted.
Posted on 7/24/09 at 7:20 pm to CM84
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My Response: So every pitcher whose pitched in the league before 23,24 is more advanced than Lincecum---I didnt take it out of context
No but every 21 year old that has a sub 3 ERA and averages nearly a strike an inning in the majors, and has equal stuff to Lincecum is more advanced than Lincecum was at 21.
21 year old Kershaw > 21 year old Lincecum.
You are acting like I am saying he is currently better than Lincecum, and I am not. I am saying at 21 he is better than Lincecum and more advanced than Lincecum was at 21. He still has a long way to go to reach Lincecum.
Posted on 7/24/09 at 7:21 pm to 1ranter1
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To compare what he is doing at 21 to what the best pitcher in baseball was doing at 21
Its irrelevant to the arguement..They took two different paths to get to the pros. What are u trying to prove with the argument? I already kno he's a good young pitcher..Ive never disputed that.
Your getting away from the point..U guranteed a Cy Young and that is what im disputing.
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