re: Greatest 3rd baseman of all-time

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sorry but Rose is overrated

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Look at his career stats an get back to me. Look at runs scored and avg and doubles and triples and sdee where he rates all-time. And again we are talking about Charlie Hustle.

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I don't think Rose is THAT overrated, just because I don't think anyone thinks he is the greatest or anything.

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Dude, he had no business being on that all-century team and there are people that go on about his hustle and drive or what ever. I think his bannishment has built up his legend.

He was obviously a very good player, but he was a singles hitter that hung around a (too) long time chasing a record.

I never saw Rose in the 70's but in the 80's toward the end - he was always more image "good" then and sort of this ambassador - and when his career was winding down and he became the all-time hit king...nobody said..."now he's the greatest this and that..." it was simply, he had the all-time record - he stood for something and people liked him but he never stood for an all-timer at his position IMO. Sort of what happened with Cal Ripken in the 90's. No one is putting Ripken in the Top 3 of his position.

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But he is one of the 35ish best players in the game's history.

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That means you basically think he's Top 3 or close all-time at his position.

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That means you basically think he's Top 3 or close all-time at his position.

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Not when his position is OF though.

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Just looks to me as you're just scoffing at the notion that Boggs were ever on roids.

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I brought up 87 and i am in no way saying Boggs used steroid. I'm saying there is no way steroids could be the explaination for the offensive explostion in 1987. It wasn't just him Juan Samuel had a career high of like 12, hit 28 in 87. Unless everyone used for 1 year and quit, steriods can not explain 87.

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An all time great? Sure, but more like top 20, rather than Top 3 as some like to put him.

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I have never put him in the top three, and anyone who does IS a fool. Top twenty sounds right and NO way that makes him overated.

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He's tough to quantify

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Agree with that...everything about his career.

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Brooks Robinson was flat out amazing

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Yet another Flagshipper keeping his pimp hand strong.

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Actually, I think Jackie Robinson is UNDERrated as a ballplayer. He’s looked at solely as this symbol when he is in the discussion for best 2B ever, save for his shortened career. He really was a five-tool player who could do it all. Speed, power, glove… the whole package.

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First of all, I do believe Jackie is a Hall of Famer. So saying he is "overrated" is like saying a Coen Brothers movie sucks or something. Only relative to all other subjects.

Of course, his career started late. He probably would have had around 3,000 hits if he started at an earlier age.

I think the best part of his game was that he influenced the game in so many different ways, particularly on the base paths. He was playing Negro League baseball in the professional leagues.

He was definitely one of the most talented players in history.

It's just so difficult to evaluate. Maybe he would have posted even better numbers had he played for two decades instead of one. Or maybe he would get injured? I don't know. It's just tough to take 10 years of any player's career and tout them as one of the greatest of all time.

A lot of players, including several that aren't and won't be in the hall of fame, had 10-year stretches with numbers as impressive as his IMO. They all just played longer and thus fell off the planet.