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Freeh report source criticizes the NCAA
Posted on 7/28/12 at 10:46 am
Posted on 7/28/12 at 10:46 am
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NCAA president Mark Emmert said the organization relied on the Freeh report when coming up with those penalties because it was "vastly more involved and thorough than any investigation we've ever conducted."
The Chronicle's source, however, said that should not have been the case.
"The Freeh team reviewed how Penn State operated, not how they worked within the NCAA's system," the source told The Chronicle. "The NCAA's job is to investigate whether Penn State broke its rules and whether it gained a competitive advantage in doing so."
The source also told The Chronicle that since the Freeh report didn't interview Paterno, Schultz or Curley, the NCAA should have furthered the investigation to see "how far this went."
"The NCAA took this report and ran with it without further exploration," the source said. "If you really wanted to show there was a nexus to cover up, interview the coaches. See their knowledge and culpability ..."
The failure to do so, according to the source, has damaged Penn State.
"The sanctions against Penn State were really overwhelming, and no one imagined the report being used to do that," the person told The Chronicle. "People thought it would help others draw conclusions about what happened and provide a guide for leaders to be able to identify minefields and navigate through them.
"Instead, Emmert took the report and used Penn State's own resources to do them in. The institution is made of people, too. And they don't deserve this."
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Posted on 7/28/12 at 10:51 am to Zamoro10
I figured this would come up sooner or later. As speculated, the Emmert and the NCAA acted way too quickly.
Posted on 7/28/12 at 10:52 am to Zamoro10
quote:According to their own report, the top leaders at the school covered up Sandusky's crimes. Maybe they didn't interview the people involved back in 2001 to find out why they covered it up, but it was obvious. To protect the school and the football program.
"The NCAA took this report and ran with it without further exploration," the source said. "If you really wanted to show there was a nexus to cover up, interview the coaches. See their knowledge and culpability ..."
Posted on 7/28/12 at 10:59 am to Zamoro10
OMG poor cult of child rapers!!
Posted on 7/28/12 at 11:14 am to Zamoro10
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The institution is made of people, too. And they don't deserve this."
Bury 'em
Posted on 7/28/12 at 11:24 am to Zamoro10
As the rational among us have pointed out, the process that the NCAA used was very flawed and sets a terrible precedent. They handed down heavy sanctions and threatened a school with the death penalty without following their own standards of due process.
I wouldn't have a problem with the sanctions imposed or even harsher sanctions against Penn State IF they had used a proper and fair process.
I wouldn't have a problem with the sanctions imposed or even harsher sanctions against Penn State IF they had used a proper and fair process.
Posted on 7/28/12 at 11:30 am to Sophandros
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I wouldn't have a problem with the sanctions imposed or even harsher sanctions against Penn State IF they had used a proper and fair process.
This.
(Just as an observer I needed more than the conclusion drawn by the report based on a few items...as Ivan Maisel pointed out...it could be possible that the Freeh report wasn't handed down from Mount Sinai...(it appears the Freeh source is saying something similar) - the NCAA rarely cares about justifying their penalties...but this was a more serious matter than athlete/benefits situation...the public and PSU deserved a waiting period and a fairer - more thorough process.)
Posted on 7/28/12 at 11:34 am to Zamoro10
Penn State did it to themselves by accepting the Freeh report, giving the NCAA the ability to use that report as acknowledged fact.
This isn't the US judicial system, Penn State is not owed the same level of due process that you or I are when accused of a crime. PSU should consider themselves lucky that the Death Penalty wasn't handed out anyway because there is enough in the Freeh Report to justify it.
This isn't the US judicial system, Penn State is not owed the same level of due process that you or I are when accused of a crime. PSU should consider themselves lucky that the Death Penalty wasn't handed out anyway because there is enough in the Freeh Report to justify it.
Posted on 7/28/12 at 11:38 am to Draconian Sanctions
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PSU should consider themselves lucky that the Death Penalty wasn't handed out anyway because there is enough in the Freeh Report to justify it.
quote:
Draconian Sanctions
Hrm...
Posted on 7/28/12 at 11:39 am to Draconian Sanctions
It doesn't matter whether or not it's the judicial system. We as consumers need to hold EVERYONE in this situation accountable.
It's fine for the NCAA to penalize Penn State, but do it the right way.
When you cede over absolute power to an individual or an organization without any oversight, you're asking for trouble. The right outcome happened with Penn State, but the process was tragically flawed. We can't be lucky like that all of the time.
It's fine for the NCAA to penalize Penn State, but do it the right way.
When you cede over absolute power to an individual or an organization without any oversight, you're asking for trouble. The right outcome happened with Penn State, but the process was tragically flawed. We can't be lucky like that all of the time.
Posted on 7/28/12 at 11:43 am to Sophandros
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It doesn't matter whether or not it's the judicial system.
Yeah it really does. People have been talking about due process with this situation in the same context they learned it in civics class, which is the absolute wrong way to go about it. Penn State is owed no such due process and any they were GIVEN under NCAA regulations went away the moment the NCAA Presidents authorized Emerett to take unilateral action and Penn State gave him the ammunition to use that power when they chose to accept the Freeh Report's findings. If you want to blame someone, blame Penn State not the NCAA. The fact is they are lucky he decided not to just nuke the program.
This post was edited on 7/28/12 at 11:44 am
Posted on 7/28/12 at 11:49 am to Draconian Sanctions
I would have preferred a fair process when Lsu bball got handed down their punishment.
Posted on 7/28/12 at 11:50 am to Sophandros
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Sophandros
Also I bet you're one of these Saints fans that thinks RG is evil and Vilma has a case, aren't you?
Posted on 7/28/12 at 11:56 am to Draconian Sanctions
I think that the NFL was EXTREMELY hasty in issuing its suspensions and that they were extremely heavy handed and tried to take advantage of a semantic argument.
I think that it's extremely telling that the federal judge who is hearing Vilma's appeal enumerated five points that she wants answered by the NFL and that she has some serious questions regarding whether Goodell's discipline is valid.
I also find the "evidence" to support the claim of a pay to injure program to be very, very specious, which means that the penalties are over the top.
The more outrageous your claim, the more solid your proof has to be, and when you make a claim, the burden of proof rests with you. The NFL has proven absolutely nothing. If sports fans and sports media were actually logical and rational, they would all demand proof rather than accepting Goodell's claims at face value.
So in short, I think that Goodell is misguided. Vilma most certainly has a case.
I think that it's extremely telling that the federal judge who is hearing Vilma's appeal enumerated five points that she wants answered by the NFL and that she has some serious questions regarding whether Goodell's discipline is valid.
I also find the "evidence" to support the claim of a pay to injure program to be very, very specious, which means that the penalties are over the top.
The more outrageous your claim, the more solid your proof has to be, and when you make a claim, the burden of proof rests with you. The NFL has proven absolutely nothing. If sports fans and sports media were actually logical and rational, they would all demand proof rather than accepting Goodell's claims at face value.
So in short, I think that Goodell is misguided. Vilma most certainly has a case.
Posted on 7/28/12 at 11:56 am to Zamoro10
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"The NCAA's job is to investigate whether Penn State broke its rules and whether it gained a competitive advantage in doing so."
The source is completely wrong. The NCAA used the report to justify punishment due to "Lack of Institutional Control," which the Penn State situation defines.
The NCAA is concerned about the integrity and morality of its members, not just whether schools may be trying to gain an unfair advantage to win.
The powers that be at Penn State (athletics and at the top of the university itself) passed the buck on and covered up for a child molester coach who they let hang around the football program for a decade after his "retirement" and use that privilege to attract young boys to molest and rape.
Posted on 7/28/12 at 11:57 am to Draconian Sanctions
I'm talking about what is right and wrong, not what someone can or can't do.
Totally different level of a discussion here that's clearly over your head.
Totally different level of a discussion here that's clearly over your head.
Posted on 7/28/12 at 11:58 am to Sophandros
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Vilma most certainly has a case.
A week ban bet that he loses?
This post was edited on 7/28/12 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 7/28/12 at 12:00 pm to Sophandros
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I'm talking about what is right and wrong, not what someone can or can't do.
Yeah that's not subjective at all
quote:
Totally different level of a discussion here that's clearly over your head.
Clearly.
Posted on 7/28/12 at 12:01 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Whether or not he wins or loses is irrelevant to whether or not he has a case.
You are terrible at logic.
You are terrible at logic.
Posted on 7/28/12 at 12:04 pm to Sophandros
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Whether or not he wins or loses is irrelevant to whether or not he has a case.
You are terrible at logic.
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