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re: Formula 1 2021 Season Thread
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:37 am to fightin tigers
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:37 am to fightin tigers
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By the books Merc appear to have legitimate grounds.
What’s the rule? I looked back but might have missed it if it was posted.
I really wish they had red flagged it and let them punch it out for 4 laps. Would have been awesome.
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Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:37 am to HubbaBubba
A mixed bag. Toto knew the timing worked for him. Unlapping cars meant they finished under yellow. Leaving them unlapped meant Max couldn't catch Lewis.
This in between was the only thing that allowed the green finish and Max to catch up.
This in between was the only thing that allowed the green finish and Max to catch up.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:37 am to Lsut81
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Which rule, the unlapping?
It would have to be, because if it is about Max overtaking just before the safety car left the track, that happened because Hamilton almost came to a complete stop on the track
This post was edited on 12/12/21 at 11:39 am
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:38 am to billjamin
Damon Hill saying Red Bull wrong for pressuring Masi. As if Toto doesn't do the same.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:38 am to billjamin
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What’s the rule? I looked back but might have missed it if it was posted.
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48.12 If the clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE" has been sent to all Competitors via the official messaging system, any cars that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car
I'll try to grab a screenshot of the whole rule.
This post was edited on 12/12/21 at 11:39 am
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:40 am to busbeepbeep
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Where was the CAS for the Saints after that Rams game?
I just drew this parallel as well.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:40 am to fightin tigers
quote:Maybe so, but you cannot eliminate "what ifs". There are too many here to unpack. It's like when the Saints were fricked by a bad call that kept them out of the Super Bowl. What if that had actually been called correctly? You can't say that New Orleans would have scored with any degree of certainty.
That is the problem. By the books Merc appear to have legitimate grounds. The rules were not followed.
Same applies here. You can't say what would have happened because it didn't happen.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:40 am to fightin tigers
Think abt a sport overturning a call bc the call put the best two drivers in a one lap sprint for a title... as opposed to the alternative call of handing one the title hiding behind a rule book knowing his strategy would not pay off...
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:40 am to fightin tigers
Ok so the unlapping… what’s done is done, the only way to fairly adjust at this point is to go back, reset the track, same tires, fuel loads, etc… which they can’t.
In this case, max didn’t break protocol, their own people did. Can’t penalize max for that.
In this case, max didn’t break protocol, their own people did. Can’t penalize max for that.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:42 am to Lsut81
I don't think they will overturn it.
If they do, it is a count back to positions before the yellow flag though. That has been done before.
If they do, it is a count back to positions before the yellow flag though. That has been done before.
This post was edited on 12/12/21 at 11:43 am
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:43 am to fightin tigers
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:44 am to busbeepbeep
Just when I didn't think I could hate Merc more.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:44 am to nola tiger lsu
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Think abt a sport overturning a call bc the call put the best two drivers in a one lap sprint for a title... as opposed to the alternative call of handing one the title hiding behind a rule book knowing his strategy would not pay off...
That is the hitch though. There are multiple ways to get a legal green flag finish, and Masi chose some version that only benefitted one driver.
I think it was Sainz who had no chance at the end because he wasn't allowed to unlap and instead had to defend instead of attack.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:45 am to udtiger
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hate Merc more
Going to CAS over this is beyond petty and unsportsmanlike to take away from Max's moment.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:45 am to busbeepbeep
Toto begged for that VSC to not go full SC.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:46 am to busbeepbeep
Max did nothing wrong, Lewis did nothing wrong, shite's fricked up.
Fire Masi, get some better marshals, see you in 2022.
Fire Masi, get some better marshals, see you in 2022.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:47 am to udtiger
quote:and Merc had a lawyer here. Red Bull just told Sky we don't have lawyer here with us.
Just when I didn't think I could hate Merc more.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:47 am to nola tiger lsu
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Going to CAS over this is beyond petty and unsportsmanlike to take away from Max's moment.
Toto and Merc are like the Ferrari of old with constant legal wrangling versus settling it on the track.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:48 am to Lsut81
Yep. Can’t penalize max for it and can’t assume Hamilton would’ve won anyway.
Having said all that, allowing the unlapping is so fishy. You’d have to be a complete hack not to admit that Massi wanted RB to win.
Having said all that, allowing the unlapping is so fishy. You’d have to be a complete hack not to admit that Massi wanted RB to win.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:48 am to fightin tigers
Is there a major difference in prize money winning vs second place?
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