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re: Florida State evaluating their options for their future...

Posted on 2/26/23 at 12:13 pm to
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 2/26/23 at 12:13 pm to
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A quick analysis will tell FSU they can just pay the buyout and break even after X amount of years. Assuming a SEC with FSU can generate 75M per team/year, that extra 45M a year will go a long way to paying off debts.

until they realize that every single penny theyd earn in SEC/B1G media revenues would be legally bound to go to the ACC until literally 2036
This post was edited on 2/26/23 at 12:14 pm
Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
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Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 2/26/23 at 12:54 pm to
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They’d just be 8 more Northeastern teams in a mediocre G5 conference now


Harvard, Princeton, and Yale could have easily followed the route of Michigan and Notre Dame in having a different sent of criteria for admitting athletes. They could have had majors or programs for student athletes and steer athletes toward certain majors and courses as do so many schools.

As private schools they could have easily created a different path for some athletes it's what Michigan and ND do now.
This post was edited on 2/26/23 at 12:55 pm
Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
Sugarland
Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 2/26/23 at 12:57 pm to
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Can the SEC kick Missouri out and add FSU?


Mizzou wanted the Big Ten and the Big Ten didn't want them. At the time Nebraska was the better option.
Posted by GentleJackJones
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 2/26/23 at 12:59 pm to
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What are you, nineteen?

Ohio state is never leaving the Big Ten, kid. They’re not shelling 100 years of tradition and academic research affiliation just to say they play in the best football conference. It would take the entire league imploding for them to leave.



Nineteen? I wish. Did you gloss over the first portion of my sentence - i.e., "It'll likely never happen..."?

Also, while if I were a betting man, I'd undoubtedly agree with you; however, nothing, including "100 years of tradition and academic research affiliation", would surprise me anymore (see Nebraska, USC and UCLA to the Big 10, Missouri, Texas, Texas A&M, and Oklahoma to SEC, Notre Dame's half-assed ACC affiliation, and so on).

Sure, Ohio State is likely to never leave. That said, top to bottom, they are the premier athletic program in the Big 10 - it isn't Michigan.

Also, Notre Dame will fight tooth and nail to maintain its football independence. I don't see the need for them to join a conference with the Playoff expansion, but if gun head to their head, they'd undoubtedly prefer the Big Ten. It makes sense, they are a better cultural fit.

That said, if you had the chance to poach them, it would be unparalleled. Notre Dame + Ohio State > Texas + Oklahoma and USC + UCLA.
This post was edited on 2/26/23 at 1:05 pm
Posted by GentleJackJones
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 2/26/23 at 1:02 pm to
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The SEC wasn't exactly murderers row in the '90's


No, but you still had Alabama, Florida and Tennessee doing great, geat things for that decade. It wasn't like we were fielding a bunch of Purdues.
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Posted on 2/26/23 at 1:04 pm to
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Harvard, Princeton, and Yale could have easily followed the route of Michigan and Notre Dame in having a different sent of criteria for admitting athletes. They could have had majors or programs for student athletes and steer athletes toward certain majors and courses as do so many schools.


UConn and Boston College aren’t exactly lighting the world on fire. I fail to see how the Ivy Leaguers would be that much better
Posted by NCIS_76
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 2/26/23 at 1:07 pm to
They don’t have much of a future for not joining the SEC when they had a chance to.
Posted by The Third Leg
Idiot Out Wandering Around
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 2/26/23 at 1:15 pm to
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Did you gloss over the first portion of my sentence - i.e., "It'll likely never happen..."?

No, I read it—it should have said, “it will never happen, and it would be a terrible move for Ohio state on every level, so I have no idea why I am even saying this”
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Sure, Ohio State is likely to never leave. That said, top to bottom, they are the premier athletic program in the Big 10 - it isn't Michigan.

Again, it isn’t a likely scenario that they never leave, it is a total certainty. They’re the flagship program of the biggest revenue engine in college athletics and they have a significant research affiliation through the league. The entire league would have to implode for it to make any sense for them to even consider leaving, and if that happens to the Big Ten, college athletics is going to be completely torn down and rebuilt.
This post was edited on 2/26/23 at 1:22 pm
Posted by TheOcean
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 2/26/23 at 1:29 pm to
SEC needs to kick out A&M and Mizzou and pick up FSU/Clemson
Posted by GentleJackJones
Member since Mar 2019
4913 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 1:38 pm to
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Again, it isn’t a likely scenario that they never leave, it is a total certainty. They’re the flagship program of the biggest revenue engine in college athletics and they have a significant research affiliation through the league. The entire league would have to implode for it to make any sense for them to even consider leaving, and if that happens to the Big Ten, college athletics is going to be completely torn down and rebuilt.


The revenue is essentially the same. That said, I'm curious as to what they'll be following the additions of Texas + Oklahoma and USC + UCLA.
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 2/26/23 at 1:39 pm to
Eh A&M is a good fit despite being so easy to make fun of.
Posted by GentleJackJones
Member since Mar 2019
4913 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 1:41 pm to
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SEC needs to kick out A&M and Mizzou and pick up FSU/Clemson


SEC doesn't kick members out. Say what you will, the SEC has made fantastic moves, sticks to its guns (unlike the Big Ten), and isn't a revolving door like the Big 12 and Pac 12.

FSU had its opportunity. I'd be spiteful towards them. Obviously, UF will hate it and will do anything to prevent it.

Clemson, while a very respectable baseball and solid football team historically, doesn't move the needle for me. South Carolina will do anything to blackball it too.

I'd rather make a play for North Carolina, Virginia (both would most likely push for Big Ten, especially UVA) or Virginia Tech (if you struck out on UVA).
This post was edited on 2/26/23 at 1:50 pm
Posted by PassingThrough
Member since Sep 2021
2622 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 1:45 pm to
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Harvard, Princeton, and Yale could have easily followed the route of Michigan and Notre Dame in having a different sent of criteria for admitting athletes. They could have had majors or programs for student athletes and steer athletes toward certain majors and courses as do so many schools.

As private schools they could have easily created a different path for some athletes it's what Michigan and ND do now.


psst---they already do to some extent. The athletes they are recruiting are still better students on average than a typical decent school with more of an emphasis on athletics, but the majority of their applications would not have been given a second glance without the athletics there. As a matter of fact, it is usually the coaches presenting these applications to the admissions office.
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
15598 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 1:58 pm to
I've seen some graph floating around that would place FSU #3 in the SEC in terms of revenue minus conference payout but I don't see how that's true.

LINK

LINK

This here, someone posted it on the Rant:

This post was edited on 2/26/23 at 2:03 pm
Posted by GentleJackJones
Member since Mar 2019
4913 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 2:07 pm to
Interesting. I always thought of FSU as a half-assed school filled with UF rejects. I thought that their facilities were also less than impressive and they have trouble filling them up.

This post was edited on 2/26/23 at 2:08 pm
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
15598 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 2:08 pm to
FSU is a very good school, definitely top 20 public and top 50 overall.
Posted by St Augustine
The Pauper of the Surf
Member since Mar 2006
70945 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 2:12 pm to
I don’t think there is any way that fsu brings in more than the big boys of the SEC or even some of the mid tiers. I have a ton of Nole friends and they basically always say that they can’t compare to what the top half of the SEC is making.
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
15598 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 2:28 pm to
Each ACC team got roughly $36 mil for 2021-22, each SEC team got roughly $52 mil for 2021-22.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
149489 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 3:19 pm to
yall are stuck in the ACC until 2036
Posted by tigeroarz1
Winston-Salem, NC
Member since Oct 2013
3817 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 4:07 pm to
Anyone who leaves the ACC will not get TV revenue until 2036. It all will go to the ACC if they are in another conference.
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