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re: Final Spinoff: CFB "How the Hell Are They That Good?" Thread
Posted on 4/10/15 at 5:50 pm to lsutigers1992
Posted on 4/10/15 at 5:50 pm to lsutigers1992
quote:Uh, what? He's still the Athletic Director and actually was interim head coach for a game this season after Anderson left. He still has the controls.
and Alvarez has been gone for a while.
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Posted on 4/10/15 at 5:54 pm to goldenbadger08
Being the AD and stepping on the sidelines for the bowl game isn't the same. They're on their third coach since he became AD and they still win.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 6:04 pm to goldenbadger08
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Uh, what? He's still the Athletic Director and actually was interim head coach for a game this season after Anderson left. He still has the controls.
I was going to say the same thing. Alvarez still has a heavy hand in that program, in fact he's the a-hole that ran off Beliema and Anderson.
You need to realize people must hate you if they are willing to leave Madison to move to bumfrick Arkansas to coach.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 6:12 pm to Sevendust912
Fayetteville is nice.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 6:30 pm to Sevendust912
I love how you call nwa bumfrick when it has 225k in metro and has everything.
But then again I don't expect a WVU fan to get it.
And all of NWA is one city so yes it is a metro, counting that it's probably closer to 250k people
But then again I don't expect a WVU fan to get it.
And all of NWA is one city so yes it is a metro, counting that it's probably closer to 250k people
This post was edited on 4/10/15 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 4/10/15 at 10:47 pm to sms151t
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I love how you call nwa bumfrick when it has 225k in metro and has everything.
But then again I don't expect a WVU fan to get it.
And all of NWA is one city so yes it is a metro, counting that it's probably closer to 250k people
Fayetteville is a decent college spot as is Morgantown. Difference is, Morgantown is close to DC, Baltimore, Pitt, Columbus, Philly, and on and on.
Arkansas is a shite hole of a state with no major cities around.
This post was edited on 4/10/15 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 4/11/15 at 9:44 am to lsutigers1992
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2. Wisconsin: They were crap before Barry Alvarez got there. Now they still consistently compete with the Ohio States, Michigans, Penn States, Michigan States of the world and Alvarez has been gone for a while.
Not only does Wisconsin "compete" with those programs, they have more B1G titles than any team not named Ohio State since Barry Alvarez took over.
Wisconsin has arguably one of the best developmental programs in the country. Its program is well-known for developing players with not many expectations coming out of high school. Two of the better players the school has ever produced, at their respective positions, were both walk-ons.
I have no doubt that this program's success will continue under Paul Chryst. He's a guy that grew up in Madison (he even helped Bo Ryan move when he was still in high school), went to college in Madison, was an offensive coordinator at Wisconsin, and is now HC. He's a Wisconsin guy through and through and understands what it takes for this program to be successful.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 9:52 am to Sevendust912
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I was going to say the same thing. Alvarez still has a heavy hand in that program, in fact he's the a-hole that ran off Beliema and Anderson.
You need to realize people must hate you if they are willing to leave Madison to move to bumfrick Arkansas to coach.
I can't speak for Bret Bielema, but Gary Andersen left due to academics. It is no secret, that, in comparison to other programs, Wisconsin has more strict standards when it comes to athletics. Not only do the players have to clear the NCAA Clearinghouse, they have to meet certain standards set by the school. Andersen had more than his fair share of difficulty getting players into school. He had several players verbally commit only to de-commit due to admissions.
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"It's been well [documented] there were some kids I couldn't get in school," the Badgers' former coach said. "That was highly frustrating to me. I lost some guys, and I told them I wasn't going to lose them.
"I think they did what they were supposed to do [academically] and they still couldn't get in. That was really hard to deal with."
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Now we know. Admissions was probably the reason the 50-year-old Andersen arguably caused the biggest stir of the coaching silly season.
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"That's not Wisconsin's fault," Andersen added. "That's Wisconsin's deal ... I want to surround myself with those kids I can get in school."
Honestly, Andersen was not a good cultural fit in Madison. If it wasn't for Paul Chryst accepting the Pitt job prior to Bielema's departure, it would have been Chryst from the beginning. As it stands, though, Barry Alvarez helped Chryst get the Pitt job and was not going to throw a knife in Pitt's back.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 10:13 am to Sevendust912
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Arkansas is a shite hole of a state
And WV isn't?
Posted on 4/11/15 at 10:44 am to lsutigers1992
When traditional power-houses like Texas and Michigan are down, other schools in the area will reap the rewards. (Baylor,TCU, Michigan State in those situations).
Mizzou- is benefitting from a weaker than usual SEC East and their permanent SEC west opponent Arkansas is in the dumps. SCarolina and Georgia have probably been better than Mizzou both years but have lost out on tie breakers because of the permanent opponents, etc. (S.carolina and LSU are the 2 teams getting royally hosed by this, by the way)
Wisconsin-maybe benefitting from the michigan dumpster fire. But also an underrated program in a football crazy state.
Kansas state- you said it. Bill Snyder has to be one of the greatest coaches ever.
Cinci- has had excellent coaching hires. some up and comers and some retreads. Also in a talent rich state.
Northwestern-Big 10 is horrendous outside of OSU.
Mizzou- is benefitting from a weaker than usual SEC East and their permanent SEC west opponent Arkansas is in the dumps. SCarolina and Georgia have probably been better than Mizzou both years but have lost out on tie breakers because of the permanent opponents, etc. (S.carolina and LSU are the 2 teams getting royally hosed by this, by the way)
Wisconsin-maybe benefitting from the michigan dumpster fire. But also an underrated program in a football crazy state.
Kansas state- you said it. Bill Snyder has to be one of the greatest coaches ever.
Cinci- has had excellent coaching hires. some up and comers and some retreads. Also in a talent rich state.
Northwestern-Big 10 is horrendous outside of OSU.
This post was edited on 4/11/15 at 10:57 am
Posted on 4/11/15 at 10:55 am to lsutigers1992
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1. Missouri: They were an average Big 12 school. Literally every single person on Earth who is not a Missouri fan predicted disaster when they joined the SEC, and now they've reached 2 SECCGs in a row.
What division is Mizzou in? That's your answer.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 11:00 am to boXerrumble
Mizzouri should NEVER be ahead of Florida, Georgia, Tennessee and South Carolina at the same time. 3rd to 5th should be the best they should aspire for. It's insane that there has been a perfect storm two years in a row.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 11:11 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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permanent opponents, etc. (S.carolina and LSU are the 2 teams getting royally hosed by this, by the way
Right on cue, an uninformed LSU fan bitches about scheduling.
Wins by permanent east opponents since 2012:
Auburn - Georgia - 30 wins
Arkansas - South Carolina - 29 wins
Texas A&M - Mizzou - 28 wins
LSU - Florida - 22 wins
Ole Miss - Vanderbilt - 20 wins
Alabama - Tennessee - 17 wins
Mississippi State - Kentucky - 9 wins
Posted on 4/11/15 at 11:37 am to Tornado Alley
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Right on cue, an uninformed LSU fan bitches about scheduling.
Wins by permanent east opponents since 2012
surely you could have found an actual good point to use that gif. Though it is incredibly ironic that you are calling LSU fans uninformed with such a small sample to use seeing as perma opponents did not start in 2012 in the SEC.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 12:00 pm to Sevendust912
Let's see
KC 3.5 hours
OKC 3
Tulsa 1.5
StL 4.5
Memphis 4.5/5
Little Rock 3
Metroplex 6
Yes no major cities around you're correct
And now we add in the outlying towns not main 4 in NWA but entire area there's probably 450k within a 50 mile radius but it's small and bumfrick? Sounds like you have no idea and got called out.
KC 3.5 hours
OKC 3
Tulsa 1.5
StL 4.5
Memphis 4.5/5
Little Rock 3
Metroplex 6
Yes no major cities around you're correct
And now we add in the outlying towns not main 4 in NWA but entire area there's probably 450k within a 50 mile radius but it's small and bumfrick? Sounds like you have no idea and got called out.
This post was edited on 4/11/15 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 4/11/15 at 12:06 pm to lsutigers1992
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3. Kansas State: Bill Snyder has to be one of the greatest coaches ever. And they already went to crap the first time he retired. It'll be interesting to see if it happens again.
4. Cincinnati: They were pitiful until the early 90s. Then they hit the coaching jackpot (Dantonio, Chip Kelly, Butch Jones in a row) and became a BCS team. I was stunned that they pulled Tuberville from Texas Tech.
5. Northwestern: One bowl game before 1995. 10 Bowl games since. They went from the worst program in college football to an average B1G team, sometimes better.
1. Northwestern won a Big Ten championship (and a trip to the Rose bowl where they were CRUSHED by USCw) with a coach who soon after won a natty at Colorado. Coach was the reason. NCAA found coach to be slime. Current coach was hung-ho player.
2. Bill Snyder led Cal (UC-Berkeley) to a 10-1 with the only loss to Washington on a bad call. He wanted more money. Cal would not pay it. He left. Cal went downhill immediately. Been up and then down since. But when he left, it fell apart, fast.
So... coach really matters. I was sad for Mich State when Saban left them for LSU. They were doormats for Michigan for so long before Saban.
Coaches and assistants really matter and not just for recruiting, although recruiting obviously makes a big difference. Recruiting is not why Northwestern is good. They have zero 4 star players, year in, year out.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 12:13 pm to sassyLSU
Barnett and CU didn't win a nc. Bill Snyder was never at Cal, so what are you thinking?
Posted on 4/11/15 at 12:19 pm to Sevendust912
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Fayetteville is a decent college spot as is Morgantown. Difference is, Morgantown is close to DC, Baltimore, Pitt, Columbus, Philly, and on and on.
Arkansas is a shite hole of a state with no major cities around.
Morgantown is a dark drab cold nothing. Its not "close" to Philadelphia.
(313.2 mi) via I-68 E, I-70 E and I-95 N
Morgantown IS close to the most depressed part of the USA.
Youngstown Ohio.
U of Pitt lost a debate to WVU. Topic, Pittsburgh/Morgantown is the more depressed part of Appalachia. <=== Consider that topic.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 12:21 pm to lsutigers1992
Most of those schools you listed really only had brief runs of success due to a great coach. I would say a better example would be West Virginia. They really have nothing going for them except for a great fanbase yet they've had a really good program for the last 50 years or so with a number of different coaches.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 12:22 pm to Bench McElroy
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They really have nothing going for them except for a great fanbase yet they've had a really good program for the last 50 years or so with a number of different coaches.
they have the WV coal mines going for them.
football is the way out.
This post was edited on 4/11/15 at 12:23 pm
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