re: Figure skater Valieva disqualified in Olympic doping case. Russians set to lose team gold.

It also robs the what-should-have-been winners of any earnings/opportunities they would’ve had immediately after the event. 2 years is too long for this shite. It happened recently for a USA women’s hurdler who had to get her 2012 medal upgraded to gold.
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With all due respect to the great minds here, let me educate some of you...I suspect there are things a lot of you are not aware of in this case.

- The Russians had the best team in the Olympics. It wasn't close. The Russians could have sent any of their girls, and I include the ones that didn't make it to the Olympics, and subbed a girl in for Valieva, and they still win gold. They had the best team. The US was not robbed. But now, the Russians are robbed of their gold.

As a side note, the Russian coach badly miscalculated here: They had three girls at the Olympics. There is a short program and a long program. My understanding is that they could have sent a girl for each part, in the team competition. Valieva was the strong favorite to win gold in the individual. It was most logical to send the other two girls, that way, most likely all three leave with a gold medal - or at least two of them. So, the coach shredded that opportunity, and has now cost the whole team a gold medal. That's rough.

- USADA has been throwing a tantrum for two years now, about Valieva. It's been a shameful display. Remember this is the organization that just burned all of its bridges with the UFC. This is the same organization that has ruined UFC fighter careers and did nothing more than say "sorry about your luck". This is the same org that let a weightlifter compete in championships after catching that lifter doping in the event to qualify for the championships, yet for Valieva they throw a fit. This is the same org, along with WADA, that doesn't mandate any reliance on evidence of PED effect in order to ban something. They can be completely arbitrary. And often times they are.

- The drug she was on is not a PED. This part in italics is tedious so skip it if you want.
It's effect in the heart is to reduce overall energy production. It limits the most productive energy pathway in a mechanism that ramps up a less productive pathway, because that pathway is faster and requires less oxygen, but the overall net effect is to reduce the energy production capability. You can't do figure skating with reduced energy production. You will hear the mongoloids at USADA say this drug makes the heart more efficient. It does not. It makes a diseased heart more efficient, not an athlete's heart. You won't find a single study to support its role as enhancing performance for figure skating.

This may not make sense to people, I'll try to use some math. The dominant pathway is about 70% of your energy needs. The other is less, but it works faster, uses less oxygen, and is thus more efficient. This drug throttles the dominant pathway, creating an intermediate that interacts with the other pathway, making it ramp up.

In people with heart failure, often the myocardium is thickened and they can't get sufficient oxygen to the heart muscle. So, the dominant pathway doesn't work well (it requires lots of oxygen). Say you need 8 units of energy to go check your mail. You may produce 10 units without feeling any sense of effort, easily. So, no big deal. In heart failure you may only produce 6 units, so everything is a challenge. Take this med and you aren't really suffering anything, even though it throttles that one pathway, because that pathway isn't working normally to begin with. But, now it ramps up the other and you can get those other two units, yet not be "normal" compared to healthy people.

This medication augments energy production for a diseased heart, but it doesn't make that heart normal in terms of energy production. It does so by affecting a pathway, and if you do that in a normal heart, you are limiting performance. Valieva clearly has a normal heart. It's not possible this drug gave her a benefit.

Also, there is a mechanism in high intensity exercise that augments the dominant pathway while mitigating activity of the less dominant pathway (this is related to lactate use by the heart), so if you take a drug to throttle that, then you are interfering in the normal metabolic adaptation that takes place in the normal heart at high intensity.

This drug is very common in Europe and Asia and it's very cheap and it's in and out of your system very quickly. (It was designed for heart failure, not sports, by the way.)

There's a lab in Europe that tests elite athletes there. Before this drug was banned, they looked at samples to see how often this drug was showing up. The ratio was 24 out of every 10,000 samples. A drug that easy to get, that cheap, and that quickly flushed out of the system (heart failure patients have to take multiple doses per day), would be A LOT more prevalent than 24 out of every 10,000 if it provided any PED effect. You can quibble with the research / lab studies if you want, but this statistic makes it clear: this drug is not a PED. This girl was not doped.

- The problem here is that the adults have, once again, let a child down in elite athletics, and it appears there will be no accountability for an adult that has harmed a child in sports. That is the real issue here.

Her story about how she ingested it is not that great. It's plausible, but not likely. This story was probably thrust upon her by her coaches. What likely happened was a coach or some other member of the team (not a skater) gave her a cocktail of meds and said 'these are vitamins for energy yada yada yada', and they either didn't realize they gave her this med (very very small amounts were in her sample) or thought it was a PED, and gave it to her anyway, in one of the dumbest decisions in the history of sport.

She was 15. She had no idea what was going on. And now she's ruined and other Russian athletes are paying the price as well. They need to figure out who gave her this medication.

With all of that, there's been no apparent investigation to find out if the coaches did this. If you follow this sport at all you know her coaches are suspected by many of some shady stuff, as well as the doctor that works with them. The doctor has worked on administering Xenon gas, which very quickly boosts red blood cell production but it's out of the body in minutes. (calling all cyclists)
I doubt he had a role in this. If he was going to do something, he'd just have her huff on some Xenon.

- Bottom line here is that this girl was not doped, her performance was never enhanced, and she should not be punished. Even more shameful is the treatment she received. If people went after an American athlete the way shitbags like Johnny Weir went after her, every one of you would want Weir's head on a stick.

- Lastly, and this is what animates me about this topic: this drug has never been tested in pediatric populations and this drug is known to induce Parkinsonian symptoms in some people, so there is some sort of neurological interaction that takes place.

Skip the PED angle for a second: So, some coach (most likely) gave a child with a growing, developing nervous system, a drug that has not been tested in children, with potential neurological side effects, while she was in a sport with aerial movements on ice, an unforgiving surface, while wearing shoes with giant blades on them. And there's not been a robust investigation into this. The dickbags at USADA haven't discussed this, because they don't give a damn about athletes. Neither has IOC, CAS, or any other body.

Once again, the adults just don't give a damn about the children they are supposed to protect. My complaint with the Russians here is that they did not undertake this part of the investigation as well. All parties know that a 15yr old girl, bubbled up in a life that is nothing but figure skating, is not out there shopping for PEDs. And yet they don't really seem to give a damn about how that thing actually got into her system and who is responsible.

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I really hope Vlad releases your family from Siberia for this quality effort.

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In other words, you know nothing about any of this and don't care that children get mistreated.

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With all due respect to the great minds here, let me educate some of you...I suspect there are things a lot of you are not aware of in this case. - The Russians had the best team in the Olympics. It wasn't close. The Russians could have sent any of their girls, and I include the ones that didn't make it to the Olympics, and subbed a girl in for Valieva, and they still win gold. They had the best team. The US was not robbed. But now, the Russians are robbed of their gold. As a side note, the Russian coach badly miscalculated here: They had three girls at the Olympics. There is a short program and a long program. My understanding is that they could have sent a girl for each part, in the team competition. Valieva was the strong favorite to win gold in the individual. It was most logical to send the other two girls, that way, most likely all three leave with a gold medal - or at least two of them. So, the coach shredded that opportunity, and has now cost the whole team a gold medal. That's rough. - USADA has been throwing a tantrum for two years now, about Valieva. It's been a shameful display. Remember this is the organization that just burned all of its bridges with the UFC. This is the same organization that has ruined UFC fighter careers and did nothing more than say "sorry about your luck". This is the same org that let a weightlifter compete in championships after catching that lifter doping in the event to qualify for the championships, yet for Valieva they throw a fit. This is the same org, along with WADA, that doesn't mandate any reliance on evidence of PED effect in order to ban something. They can be completely arbitrary. And often times they are. - The drug she was on is not a PED. This part in italics is tedious so skip it if you want. It's effect in the heart is to reduce overall energy production. It limits the most productive energy pathway in a mechanism that ramps up a less productive pathway, because that pathway is faster and requires less oxygen, but the overall net effect is to reduce the energy production capability. You can't do figure skating with reduced energy production. You will hear the mongoloids at USADA say this drug makes the heart more efficient. It does not. It makes a diseased heart more efficient, not an athlete's heart. You won't find a single study to support its role as enhancing performance for figure skating. This may not make sense to people, I'll try to use some math. The dominant pathway is about 70% of your energy needs. The other is less, but it works faster, uses less oxygen, and is thus more efficient. This drug throttles the dominant pathway, creating an intermediate that interacts with the other pathway, making it ramp up. In people with heart failure, often the myocardium is thickened and they can't get sufficient oxygen to the heart muscle. So, the dominant pathway doesn't work well (it requires lots of oxygen). Say you need 8 units of energy to go check your mail. You may produce 10 units without feeling any sense of effort, easily. So, no big deal. In heart failure you may only produce 6 units, so everything is a challenge. Take this med and you aren't really suffering anything, even though it throttles that one pathway, because that pathway isn't working normally to begin with. But, now it ramps up the other and you can get those other two units, yet not be "normal" compared to healthy people. This medication augments energy production for a diseased heart, but it doesn't make that heart normal in terms of energy production. It does so by affecting a pathway, and if you do that in a normal heart, you are limiting performance. Valieva clearly has a normal heart. It's not possible this drug gave her a benefit. Also, there is a mechanism in high intensity exercise that augments the dominant pathway while mitigating activity of the less dominant pathway (this is related to lactate use by the heart), so if you take a drug to throttle that, then you are interfering in the normal metabolic adaptation that takes place in the normal heart at high intensity. This drug is very common in Europe and Asia and it's very cheap and it's in and out of your system very quickly. (It was designed for heart failure, not sports, by the way.) There's a lab in Europe that tests elite athletes there. Before this drug was banned, they looked at samples to see how often this drug was showing up. The ratio was 24 out of every 10,000 samples. A drug that easy to get, that cheap, and that quickly flushed out of the system (heart failure patients have to take multiple doses per day), would be A LOT more prevalent than 24 out of every 10,000 if it provided any PED effect. You can quibble with the research / lab studies if you want, but this statistic makes it clear: this drug is not a PED. This girl was not doped. - The problem here is that the adults have, once again, let a child down in elite athletics, and it appears there will be no accountability for an adult that has harmed a child in sports. That is the real issue here. Her story about how she ingested it is not that great. It's plausible, but not likely. This story was probably thrust upon her by her coaches. What likely happened was a coach or some other member of the team (not a skater) gave her a cocktail of meds and said 'these are vitamins for energy yada yada yada', and they either didn't realize they gave her this med (very very small amounts were in her sample) or thought it was a PED, and gave it to her anyway, in one of the dumbest decisions in the history of sport. She was 15. She had no idea what was going on. And now she's ruined and other Russian athletes are paying the price as well. They need to figure out who gave her this medication. With all of that, there's been no apparent investigation to find out if the coaches did this. If you follow this sport at all you know her coaches are suspected by many of some shady stuff, as well as the doctor that works with them. The doctor has worked on administering Xenon gas, which very quickly boosts red blood cell production but it's out of the body in minutes. (calling all cyclists) I doubt he had a role in this. If he was going to do something, he'd just have her huff on some Xenon. - Bottom line here is that this girl was not doped, her performance was never enhanced, and she should not be punished. Even more shameful is the treatment she received. If people went after an American athlete the way shitbags like Johnny Weir went after her, every one of you would want Weir's head on a stick. - Lastly, and this is what animates me about this topic: this drug has never been tested in pediatric populations and this drug is known to induce Parkinsonian symptoms in some people, so there is some sort of neurological interaction that takes place. Skip the PED angle for a second: So, some coach (most likely) gave a child with a growing, developing nervous system, a drug that has not been tested in children, with potential neurological side effects, while she was in a sport with aerial movements on ice, an unforgiving surface, while wearing shoes with giant blades on them. And there's not been a robust investigation into this. The dickbags at USADA haven't discussed this, because they don't give a damn about athletes. Neither has IOC, CAS, or any other body. Once again, the adults just don't give a damn about the children they are supposed to protect. My complaint with the Russians here is that they did not undertake this part of the investigation as well. All parties know that a 15yr old girl, bubbled up in a life that is nothing but figure skating, is not out there shopping for PEDs. And yet they don't really seem to give a damn about how that thing actually got into her system and who is responsible.

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Holy shite you are a loser.

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POTUS2024

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Would have been alot easier if you had just said everyone should watch the documentary "Icarus"