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re: ESPN has a LONG story on Penn state player in 70s
Posted on 4/12/22 at 2:40 pm to Bawwitdabaw
Posted on 4/12/22 at 2:40 pm to Bawwitdabaw
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While the judge deserves plenty of blame, the parole board who granted him parole after only serving 3 years has just as much blame. Sickening that they felt a rapist was good to be released to society after only 3 years. I'm ready to burn down the criminal justice system after reading that.
Rape was not taken seriously as a crime. I remember reading that even into the 70’s damaging someone’s property was a worse crime than rape according to our legal system.
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Posted on 4/12/22 at 2:51 pm to ThePTExperience1969
Question is though, why does it come out mid season of 2011? The incident is more than 5-6 years old by that point?
Posted on 4/12/22 at 3:24 pm to KiwiHead
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Question is though, why does it come out mid season of 2011? The incident is more than 5-6 years old by that point?
Around 2008, Aaron Fischer’s mom (1st victim) made a report to CPS about Sandusky. The AG at the time was Tom Corbett. Corbett ran for governor in 2010 and won. Not much happened with the then 2 year old investigation until after Corbett was elected.
Sometime during the investigation in late 2010, someone made an anonymous tip that they should ask McQueary about Sandusky, where, the boy in the shower episode started. That’s how Paterno and admins got roped in.
Some interesting facts, the prosecutor was disbarred for shenanigans pulled during the grand jury proceedings, as well as the PSU General Counsel. Basically, the General Counsel told the PSU Pres and the other admins that were arrested that she was representing them at the grand jury. Turns out, she also testified to the grand jury and didn’t tell them.
Posted on 4/12/22 at 3:42 pm to LSUMJ
Pedo state has a long dark history. What a terrible person Joe pa was
Posted on 4/12/22 at 4:51 pm to TexasTiger08
Where did I get pissy
Posted on 4/16/22 at 6:49 pm to Big4SALTbro
If you truly cared about kids you would ask the Centre County police, District Attorney and DPW why Sandusky wasn’t arrested for a similar incident 10 years earlier or why DPW had a second evaluation done which concluded Sandusky was harmless after the first one concluded he fit the profile of a classic groomer. Maybe you should ask why McQueary refused to tell his father, a physician, when asked 3 times that he saw or heard a sexual assault in the shower that night. Maybe yoy should ask why the administration didn’t heed Paterno’s recommendation when asked his thoughts regarding Sandusky’s retirement package that he not be permitted to bring Second Mile kids on campus because as ESPN “knows” in its “reporting” on Sandusky and infers in the hatchet job regarding Hodne, Paterno “ran” the University. Maybe you should ask why the Second Mile, a child protective agency, permitted Sandusky to take kids off the property up until the time he was arrested despite being told by PSU after the shower incident that Sandusky was no longer permitted to bring Second Mile kids on campus. Maybe you should ask the AG’s office, which has oversight responsibilities over both DPW and the Second Mile, why it never investigated either.
But hey, let’s blame the football coach because he is famous.
But hey, let’s blame the football coach because he is famous.
Posted on 4/16/22 at 11:14 pm to lsupride87
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Legal system sucked. But I fail to see the “evils of Paterno” in that article He kicked the dude off the team, and even told other players if they testify for the rapist they will be kicked off the team
One thing that stood out to me was the former nfl lawyer cleanup guy. That and the officials who all let them off easy
Posted on 4/16/22 at 11:32 pm to I Bleed Garnet
I don’t know. I’m getting tired of people litigating the past like the standards today are the same. It was 78 where nobody talked about this stuff. Things were different. Laws were different. Crime scene detective work was terrible. They talked about protecting girls from shame, which was a thing. It wasn’t the only reason and it’s wrong as people see it now. I’m talking about what happened at Penn state, not after when the evidence started piling up back in New York. There were a lot of people that still thought he was innocent in the court room. That judge is a pos though. He fricked everything up. Then the parole board. That’s inexcusable. The whole story is sad and an indictment on the criminal justice system to me
Posted on 4/16/22 at 11:37 pm to H-Town Tiger
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So we punish kids in the 2020s not to mention destroy many other livelihoods over something that happened in the 1970s? How many leaders at Penn St now you figure were there in the 70s? You punish the guilty you do not destroy entire institutions well after the fact, that’s absurd
It’s not just Penn state either. People should be careful because we damn well know it went on and still does at universities
Posted on 4/16/22 at 11:39 pm to Tigerpride18
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Then you have the writer trying to get the lady Karen to remember stuff that she couldn’t remember as she was being suggestively interviewed
Yea, and you can tell she was conflating everything she just read about Penn state and Sandusky
Posted on 4/16/22 at 11:40 pm to BradBallard
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If you truly cared about kids you would ask the Centre County police, District Attorney and DPW why Sandusky wasn’t arrested for a similar incident 10 years earlier or why DPW had a second evaluation done which concluded Sandusky was harmless after the first one concluded he fit the profile of a classic groomer. Maybe you should ask why McQueary refused to tell his father, a physician, when asked 3 times that he saw or heard a sexual assault in the shower that night. Maybe yoy should ask why the administration didn’t heed Paterno’s recommendation when asked his thoughts regarding Sandusky’s retirement package that he not be permitted to bring Second Mile kids on campus because as ESPN “knows” in its “reporting” on Sandusky and infers in the hatchet job regarding Hodne, Paterno “ran” the University. Maybe you should ask why the Second Mile, a child protective agency, permitted Sandusky to take kids off the property up until the time he was arrested despite being told by PSU after the shower incident that Sandusky was no longer permitted to bring Second Mile kids on campus. Maybe you should ask the AG’s office, which has oversight responsibilities over both DPW and the Second Mile, why it never investigated either.
But hey, let’s blame the football coach because he is famous.
Exactly, he was JUST A FOOTBALL COACH, man people are stupid in real life
Posted on 4/17/22 at 7:51 am to TheTexasTiger7
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Actually had some time this morning to read a good chunk of this article. Absolutley nuts. frick Penn State, and everything about that place. Are people just allowed to go around killing people and raping people up there? Joe Paterno is a scum bag piece of shite.
Its very simple, if you're rich enough, connected enough, good looking enough, or talented enough, American institutions will overlook damn near anything you do.
The children of dictators attend the top American institutions.
Posted on 4/17/22 at 1:49 pm to LSUMJ
I read the entire story.
Although I have no love or respect for PSU or JoePa, there are very few D-1 schools that didn't have to deal with this especially in the days before Title IX and #MeToo came to the forefront.
This girl I dated in college was an RA at Miller dorm in the 80s. During that time there was a certain LSU athlete that became notorious for date raping pretty much any girl he could get alone. It became so bad that my girlfriend and her fellow RAs were told to have a meeting and inform everyone on their floors to avoid this piece of FILTH at all cost.
When these rapes were first starting to be reported, someone "friendly" with the athletic department would show up with a very large piece of jewelry and cash and the "rape allegation" would just go away.
Given the number involved, there is almost no f*cking way that a certain coach (never known for his ethics) didn't know what was going on.
Although I have no love or respect for PSU or JoePa, there are very few D-1 schools that didn't have to deal with this especially in the days before Title IX and #MeToo came to the forefront.
This girl I dated in college was an RA at Miller dorm in the 80s. During that time there was a certain LSU athlete that became notorious for date raping pretty much any girl he could get alone. It became so bad that my girlfriend and her fellow RAs were told to have a meeting and inform everyone on their floors to avoid this piece of FILTH at all cost.
When these rapes were first starting to be reported, someone "friendly" with the athletic department would show up with a very large piece of jewelry and cash and the "rape allegation" would just go away.
Given the number involved, there is almost no f*cking way that a certain coach (never known for his ethics) didn't know what was going on.
This post was edited on 4/17/22 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 4/17/22 at 7:43 pm to BradBallard
I sometimes wonder about who made that tip. Because only 4 people ostensibly knew about McQueary being an eyewitness and Paterno was one of them. Paterno knew he was dying in 2011 and it was probably terminal. He was the only one with nothing to lose
Like I was told by some Big10 alumni who were well placed, there is more to the story that Freeh did not report.
Like I was told by some Big10 alumni who were well placed, there is more to the story that Freeh did not report.
Posted on 4/17/22 at 9:05 pm to BradBallard
There were always some things about the Sandusky case that bothered me as a lawyer. Paterno, et al are skewered for knowing about this one incident( the earlier stuff from 1976 never was raised in court). But to this day only Sandusky is convicted and in jail for this from Second Mile....no one else from the organization is even investigated despite most of them working for many years for the organization. Curley gets convicted. Spanier gets convicted. Tom Corbett is accused of covering up as AG. Yet no one delves into anyone else in the Second Mile. You would think they would have known, possibly seen things and maybe have been aware of complaints. Then there are some widely varied recollections of some of the victims in particular.
Then there is the Freeh report coming out right before the trial and all of the fanfare surrounding it. Sandusky jurors would have been tainted because it came from a premise that Sandusky was guilty and then goes on to show via email correspondence that there was a cover up.
Then there is the Freeh report coming out right before the trial and all of the fanfare surrounding it. Sandusky jurors would have been tainted because it came from a premise that Sandusky was guilty and then goes on to show via email correspondence that there was a cover up.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 5:17 am to KiwiHead
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Then there is the Freeh report coming out right before the trial and all of the fanfare surrounding it. Sandusky jurors would have been tainted because it came from a premise that Sandusky was guilty and then goes on to show via email correspondence that there was a cover up.
Even worse was that Penn State’s BoT bankrolled it and Freeh essentially wrote it to portray Paterno, the AD, and the President in the worst light possible (obviously) and absolve the BoT of any responsibility whatsoever. It was all such a shitshow. I really don’t get this posthumous witch hunt bloodlust lazy “journalists” have for Paterno now must not be a lot of sports news out there.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 7:04 am to ThePTExperience1969
What 's worse is that a juror admits to speaking to Freeh's investigators. She was a professor with Penn State who all but admitted that she had an ax to grind with the university and their history of cover ups. As an attorney if I knew this in voir dire I would never allow her on a jury. If this came out in trial or after I would be at SCOTUS if the state would not overturn the conviction and order a new trial.
Sandusky may be a real creep. But even a creep deserves his due process and I'm not sure he got it.
Sandusky may be a real creep. But even a creep deserves his due process and I'm not sure he got it.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 7:38 am to KiwiHead
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Sandusky may be a real creep. But even a creep deserves his due process and I'm not sure he got it.
I mean the McQueary accusation that people smeared JoePa for throughout all this was one of I believe the two charges Sandusky was acquitted on, there's no evidence JoePa obstructed justice or lied to the grand jury. By all accounts, he cooperated with law enforcement investigations throughout all this. It's just stupid these lazy arse journalists try to cast him and a couple others as the devil incarnate.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 7:41 am to KiwiHead
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Like I was told by some Big10 alumni who were well placed, there is more to the story that Freeh did not report.
The Freeh investigation was commissioned and bankrolled by Penn State's BoT with a clear mission. Judging by the media's witch hunt against JoePa, they accomplished that mission with flying colors.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 8:04 am to ThePTExperience1969
The only people who come out of this on the plus side other than the victims is the NCAA who gets 60 million.
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