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re: ESPN 30 for 30: Requiem for the Big East
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:53 am to BayouBengals03
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:53 am to BayouBengals03
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There's too many teams in the ACC that don't really give a frick about basketball. ACC games aren't exciting.
Which is a shame. Georgia Tech should be good and Wake needs to get back to being good. Tony Bennett has been incredible at UVA though.
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:57 am to RTR America
Miami, Clemson, Boston College, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, Virginia Tech
These teams might have a few years where they have good teams and make the tournament, but for the most part they suck and play boring arse basketball.
And I love Mike Bray, but I'm wondering how much of Notre Dame's success had to do with being in the Big East and piggy backing off of the great competition in that league. We'll have to see how they do in the next few years.
I still think with a few additions, the Big East can be a top two basketball league in the country. Maybe even the best. It's all about a brand, and schools like VCU, Wichita, and even Saint Louis and Saint Joseph's have that right now. If you have a 16-team basketball league with all the schools actually caring about basketball, I bet that league would run shite.
These teams might have a few years where they have good teams and make the tournament, but for the most part they suck and play boring arse basketball.
And I love Mike Bray, but I'm wondering how much of Notre Dame's success had to do with being in the Big East and piggy backing off of the great competition in that league. We'll have to see how they do in the next few years.
I still think with a few additions, the Big East can be a top two basketball league in the country. Maybe even the best. It's all about a brand, and schools like VCU, Wichita, and even Saint Louis and Saint Joseph's have that right now. If you have a 16-team basketball league with all the schools actually caring about basketball, I bet that league would run shite.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 1:01 am to BayouBengals03
Butler/VCU/Wichita/Creighton/Saint Louis/St Josephs would be AWESOME all in the Big East.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 1:10 am to undecided
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Thought that was Duke
Duke doesn't have a river.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 1:12 am to paperstreet
The league would be unbelievable. It has to be coming sooner or later. It's the only way to really save the greatness of the conference.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 7:23 am to BayouBengals03
Seeing present day Lou Carnesecca really made me sad.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 8:01 am to Me
He looks like Al Davis did in his later years
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:50 am to undecided
I havent read the thread, so I don't know if this was covered, but I thought the doc was good up until the end. At the end, the blatant intellectual dishonesty bothered me. They tried to lay all the blame on the conference break up on football schools being greedy. They completely failed to mention ESPN facilitating Cuse and Pitt's move to the ACC out of spite for the Big East turning down their broadcast rights offer.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:51 am to RTR America
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Georgia Tech should be good
You can thank Paul Hewitt's golden contract.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:17 am to ProjectP2294
Football was the major straw.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:23 am to ProjectP2294
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At the end, the blatant intellectual dishonesty bothered me. They tried to lay all the blame on the conference break up on football schools being greedy. They completely failed to mention ESPN facilitating Cuse and Pitt's move to the ACC out of spite for the Big East turning down their broadcast rights offer.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:38 am to ProjectP2294
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At the end, the blatant intellectual dishonesty bothered me. They tried to lay all the blame on the conference break up on football schools being greedy. They completely failed to mention ESPN facilitating Cuse and Pitt's move to the ACC out of spite for the Big East turning down their broadcast rights offer.
Yeah, I mentioned it earlier and it was part of the reason I was initially hesitant to watch as I knew this would not be addressed. ESPN played as much a role in the dissolution of the big east as any other fact
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:44 am to undecided
The Big East was fricked once Tranghese and his minions blackballed Penn State. Paterno was furious about that and killed the Syracuse rivalry and tried to kill the Pitt series because of it. They also could have added Florida State which was independent at the time and formed a nice football league.
This post was edited on 3/17/14 at 11:46 am
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:55 am to Sevendust912
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Tranghese
Was like napalm. Seems like he was the worse possible guy to have leading the conference at such a crucial period i.e 2000's when conference realignment really began
This post was edited on 3/17/14 at 11:57 am
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:59 am to undecided
He was absolutely awful. I can't even express how bad of a job he did. After him, the Big East got stuck with this guy:
Who was hardly any better.
Just terrible leadership all around
Who was hardly any better.
Just terrible leadership all around
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:00 pm to Sevendust912
The Big East seemed to be in a tough spot. If they didn't try to bring in more football schools the ones they already had might have left anyway.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:08 pm to itawambadog
Flipped my shite when Boeheim almost started crying and threw a chair after that Georgetown loss. 
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:09 pm to undecided
The Big East ever deciding to play football killed the league. It didn't happen right away, but it slowly gnawed away at the conference, as it was, in effect, two separate conferences for football and basketball. Once they started doing "football only" members like Virginia Tech and Miami, it sowed the seeds of discontent.
What's odd is they formed this football conference under the Big East banner, but they did it without Penn st, the school that had been pushing for an Eastern league and the biggest football power in the region.
It would've hurt in the late 80s, but they should have let Syracuse, BC, and Pitt walk to the football conference. The Frankenstein monster the league became was pretty sad, though I'm thrilled by its return to its roots.
What's odd is they formed this football conference under the Big East banner, but they did it without Penn st, the school that had been pushing for an Eastern league and the biggest football power in the region.
It would've hurt in the late 80s, but they should have let Syracuse, BC, and Pitt walk to the football conference. The Frankenstein monster the league became was pretty sad, though I'm thrilled by its return to its roots.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:09 pm to itawambadog
Answer the question this way: If the Big East signs the contract with ESPN, do Pitt and Syracuse leave for the ACC?
Be honest.
And if the answer is "no" then football wasn't the problem.
Be honest.
And if the answer is "no" then football wasn't the problem.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:11 pm to lsutigers1992
The Pac 12 had just signed a contract for over double the amount.
I know the Big East wasn't exactly in a position of leverage, but it wasn't an easy decision. I think they knew declining that contract would mean the end of the Big East as we knew it.
I know the Big East wasn't exactly in a position of leverage, but it wasn't an easy decision. I think they knew declining that contract would mean the end of the Big East as we knew it.
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