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re: Erik Spoelstra and Mike Brown

Posted on 5/17/12 at 11:06 am to
Posted by Black n Gold
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 11:06 am to
quote:

I think Brown would do well with a team like Charlotte.


There must be a second team in Charlotte that I am not aware of.
Posted by bomber77
Member since Aug 2008
14783 posts
Posted on 5/17/12 at 11:14 am to
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Spo seems ok


Just wait, when the Heat get eliminated shite will hit the fan.

He's the "last excuse"
Posted by supatigah
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Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 11:19 am to
Riley is hands on and involved with the team everyday. Spoelstra is his guy. So the only way Spoelstra is gone is if Riley says he is the problem or is Lebron wants him gone, neither of which is the case
Posted by ATLTiger
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 11:22 am to
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There must be a second team in Charlotte that I am not aware of.



nah, I'm talking about the Bobcats. I think they're in a similar position to where the Hawks were around 04 when they started their rebuilding and it led to the current group.

I don't think it'd be overnight, nor do I think he'd get em to a championship per se (would really depend on MJ giving personnel duties to someone competent), but Brown could def. be a Mike Woodson type for a rebuilding effort in Charlotte.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112939 posts
Posted on 5/17/12 at 5:10 pm to
quote:

So who gets the blame for these late game break downs?


If Sports gets the blame for those does he get credit for this?

quote:

"@tomhaberstroh: Before Gm 4, Miami had the NBA's most efficient offense in the final minute when needing a tie or go-ahead bucket, per LINK



Honest question.
Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 5:23 pm to
I do not think Spoelstra is an amazing coach by any means. He has two supertalents who at their respective bests could be the best two in the game.

Why did Spoelstra draw up that play for Chalmers? It just seems a little strange. I feel like doing that kind of tells Lebron that Spoelstra believes in the Lebron narrative, which is a terrible message to send.
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 5:31 pm to
I'd say they are both average coaches with their own positives and negatives. I don't think Mike Brown is a horrible coach by any means.

I'd take him over Spoelstra.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112939 posts
Posted on 5/17/12 at 5:41 pm to
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Why did Spoelstra draw up that play for Chalmers? It just seems a little strange


You always hear them talk about him being a numbers guy. I think he just tries to ALWAYS go by the numbers.

Chalmers hit more 3s than anyone on the team this year. I'm guessing that had something to do with it.

Same with going to Wade when Spo feels like he has an advantage. I'd personally go to Lebron every single time when down 2 or less and not Wade, but Spo probably has access to more info than we do and always goes with the numbers.

i'm obviously a numbers guy but I don't think i'd trust em that much. At some point he has to go to Lebron. Wade isn't exactly setting the world on fire either in these big spots.
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 5:42 pm to
He's like the Joe Girardi of the NBA.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112939 posts
Posted on 5/17/12 at 5:45 pm to
For the record though, I'm ok with the call to Chalmers.

1. I don't want Wade EVER taking a 3 to tie a game late. Ever ever ever.

2. You know Lebron will be well covered. Chalmers had a good look had he not got hit on the elbow during his shot(so I guess it wasn't that good of a look lol). I'd rather Chalmers shoot an open 3 than Lebron a contested one.


But the play before, it's hard to fault it because Wade had a pretty easy layup it seemed. But for me, I'm alwasy going to Lebron down 2 and clearing it out and putting shooters on the perimeters to kick out to. Or, as everyone always talks about, the Bron/Wade pick and roll. But i want it in Lebron's hands to make the decisions.
Posted by DownSouthCrawfish
Lift every voice and sing
Member since Oct 2011
41324 posts
Posted on 5/17/12 at 5:46 pm to
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Erik Spoelstra


here's a question...... how many rings do you guys think Pat Riley could win if he coached this Heat team, instead of giving the reins to Spo?
Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
29-24 #BlewDat
Member since Dec 2010
31259 posts
Posted on 5/17/12 at 5:58 pm to
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i'm obviously a numbers guy but I don't think i'd trust em that much. At some point he has to go to Lebron. Wade isn't exactly setting the world on fire either in these big spots.

I agree that the ball has to be in Lebron's hands with freedom for him to decide. He has to make a "smart" play, so he is not allowed to do what Kobe or Durant do at the end. He can choose to create his own decent look or facilitate.

I understand playing the numbers, but Spoelstra is putting a shite ton of unnecessary pressure on Lebron. Sometimes, you have to stroke your superstar's ego. Playing by the numbers only works when your team believes in the process.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
63449 posts
Posted on 5/17/12 at 5:59 pm to
Both are terrible, I'd pick Mike Brown if I had to choose though. He seems more capable of doing more with lesser talent.
Posted by jturn17
Member since Jan 2011
4978 posts
Posted on 5/17/12 at 6:04 pm to
Spoelstra is very good at X's and O's. His teams are great at getting easy baskets after timeouts. He's great at making defensive adjustments in game. His fatal flaw is often his stubbornness. He's often slow to make changes to rotations, but maybe that's changing considering his starting line up tonight.

The Chalmers play call was the right call. He's a better shooter than the others, and he had a decent look. Sometimes shots don't go down. I don't know why our perception of what should happen at the end of games has so greatly been skewed by the 2000s. Just because a star is a star doesn't mean he should be forcing things he doesn't do well for the sake of being a hero. The game is about winning. Does anyone remember a 3 pt shot Jordan took to win/tie a game in the playoffs?
Posted by Preys on Gumps
Wrigleyville
Member since May 2012
2099 posts
Posted on 5/17/12 at 8:14 pm to
Spo just got embarrassed by Wade. I'd sit his arse and put it on Bron. See what he could do, he's taken over games with the cavs.
Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
29-24 #BlewDat
Member since Dec 2010
31259 posts
Posted on 5/17/12 at 8:19 pm to
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The Chalmers play call was the right call. He's a better shooter than the others, and he had a decent look. Sometimes shots don't go down. I don't know why our perception of what should happen at the end of games has so greatly been skewed by the 2000s. Just because a star is a star doesn't mean he should be forcing things he doesn't do well for the sake of being a hero. The game is about winning. Does anyone remember a 3 pt shot Jordan took to win/tie a game in the playoffs?

I fervently disagree with you here on Chalmers being the right call. For what it is worth, my stance would be unaltered whether or not Chalmers hits the shot.

Maximizing a team's efficiency only works when the players completely buy into the system. For example, the roles of closers in baseball makes little to no sense. However, teams refuse to have a fluid bullpen when the best reliever pitches at the most critical juncture, not just in the ninth inning. This is because those players want saves. Saves leads to big stats. Big stats lead to future contracts. While a team may be win more games by not having a structured bullpen, it will not happen as long as players want to make as money as possible.

Lebron needs to be reinforced that he is the best player and the one with the ball. Maybe Lebron believes in the narrative that his idiotic haters spew. Spoelstra is only accelerating the belief of the narrative if he does not put it in Lebron's hands. Let Lebron decide what to do.

The Chalmers three may have been the best chance to win the game, which, yes, is the primary objective. However, it is not the right call in an irrational society. A coach's job security and/or a superstar's ego may not agree with the Chalmers three. There is a reason that teams punt all the time in football. There is a reason we see hero ball at the end of basketball games. It may not be the optimal decision, but sadly society often leaves us with no choice, but to take the traditional chance and not play the percentages. So, in theory, I agree with the Chalmers three. However, I do not believe that the Chalmers is the right move to make considering the irrationality of society and our sports world.
This post was edited on 5/17/12 at 8:25 pm
Posted by TulaneTigerFan
Seattle
Member since Sep 2005
35856 posts
Posted on 5/17/12 at 8:24 pm to
I'm going with Mike Brown after watching this game
Posted by Walt OReilly
Poplarville, MS
Member since Oct 2005
124694 posts
Posted on 5/17/12 at 8:27 pm to
Posted by HandGrenade
Member since Oct 2010
11234 posts
Posted on 5/17/12 at 8:29 pm to
In Mike Brown's case...he's had Lebron AND Kobe, and he still can't win a championship. We'll see what happens the next few years with the Lakers though, I suppose.
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