- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Coaching Changes
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
1
Posted on 11/20/24 at 3:18 pm to Madking
Yep only one
Posted on 11/20/24 at 3:21 pm to theducks
The question is no HOF or HOF. Brees is a HOFer, so is Manning.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 3:42 pm to Madking
Correct. And to be fair Archie should be in as well. Not for his stats but for the beating he took all those years. And if he is not an ambasssdor for the game I don’t know who is.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 3:49 pm to dukke v
quote:
And to be fair Archie should be in as well.
No but first ballot in the hall of entertaining but unfortunately in a bad franchise.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 3:52 pm to teke184
quote:
He won two SBs, including one particularly memorable one, but his overall body of work is subpar considering some of the other candidates out there.
He was a really good QB on most days, but too often would make a dumb play or critical mistake at crucial times.
He also had a lot more bad games than his contemporaries. Eli had more games with a passer rating below 70, than he had above 100.
For comparison, Tony Romo played a fraction of games compared to Eli, but he has more games with a 100+ rating. Romo was famous for bad games, but only about 15% of his games did he fall below a 70 rating. Nearly 30% of Eli’s games were below that mark.
Eli’s an oddity, and there aren’t a lot of comparisons. He was bad more often than really good, even when he played well he had a tendency to derail his team’s chances.
However, he was always a threat. You never knew if you would see Good Eli or Bad Eli. Often both would show up during a game. He could be having a bad game, but make a few keys plays down the stretch that very few QBs were capable of making.
He not only won 2 SBs, but had some of his greatest games in those playoff runs.
Was he great? No
Did he have a really good career? Yes
As long as he’s in the ‘Really Good’ category, then all that matters is the 2 SBs to the committee. They don’t care about all the bad games or mistakes, or the fact he lost as many games as he won, or he only made the playoffs six times.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 4:03 pm to SaintLSU
A 2x SB MVP who played his entire career in the biggest media market is a lock. This should surprise no one.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 4:14 pm to SportsGuyNOLA
quote:
The most overrated player in NFL history
Did you really watch Deion play? He was an elite cover corner. Teams threw away from him a lot.
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 4:16 pm
.png)
Posted on 11/20/24 at 4:32 pm to SaintLSU
15+ year starter with one iconic team. 2X Super Bowl MVP. What’s the problem?
Posted on 11/20/24 at 6:19 pm to Oilfieldbiology
quote:
Man he’s really being buoyed by his last name and playing for NYG
And the rings
Posted on 11/20/24 at 6:32 pm to sorantable
The giants had 2 seasons over .500 with manning after their second Super Bowl
He never led the NFL in any passing stat in any season, besides interceptions 3 times
He’ll get it but he’s a squarely average QB in his era
He never led the NFL in any passing stat in any season, besides interceptions 3 times
He’ll get it but he’s a squarely average QB in his era
Posted on 11/20/24 at 7:21 pm to DBG
quote:
He never led the NFL in any passing stat in any season, besides interceptions 3 times
Like I said, his entire Resume is two Super Bowls fueled by the defense.
He had awful years and when they weren't awful they were average but for some shining moments.
He would make Namath's election look like Joe Montana.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 7:30 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
First question in a HOF debate is where you ranked in your era.
I have a hot take, John Elway is borderline too. He led the league in passing stats 4 times. Once in yards, twice in attempts, once in completions. He was top 5 in MVP voting 4 times and his one win was the strike season.
I have a hot take, John Elway is borderline too. He led the league in passing stats 4 times. Once in yards, twice in attempts, once in completions. He was top 5 in MVP voting 4 times and his one win was the strike season.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 8:12 pm to grich31
quote:
Them 2SB rings and SB MVPs and beating TB12 both times is part of reason he will get into HOF
His last name isn’t hurting his cause
Ironically I think playing in New York kinda hurts him, if was on Jacksonville he wouldn’t have received 90% of the hate he got in his career because no one would pay attention besides the playoffs
New York and cowboys is all National radio and espn talks about. Somehow playing the cowboys on Fox every sunday on Fox
Pre-red zone he would have hidden a lot of his sloppy performance
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 11/20/24 at 8:17 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
quote:
Same as ben Roethlisberger. He will also get in, but was never close to being the top QB in the league.
He led the league in yards twice. He was really good in the 10s before the wheels fell off the last couple of years
He was definitely an elite QB for a 6 year run. As dependable as you could want in a QB. His case is way stronger than Eli, IMO
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 11/20/24 at 8:17 pm to SaintLSU
full list
Pretty weak IMO
Pretty weak IMO
quote:
The following is the list of Modern-Era Players who have reached the Semifinalists stage for the Class of 2025, including their positions, years and teams. Also listed are the number of times and years the candidate has been named a Semifinalist since this reduction vote was added to the Hall’s bylaws in 2004. (Note: The bylaws state the number of Semifinalists shall be 25 — or a larger number if players tie for the 25th position. There were no ties in this year’s balloting.)
Eric Allen, CB — 1988-1994 Philadelphia Eagles, 1995-97 New Orleans Saints, 1998-2001 Oakland Raiders | (Times as a Semifinalist: 5 – 2021-25)
Jared Allen, DE — 2004-07 Kansas City Chiefs, 2008-2013 Minnesota Vikings, 2014-15 Chicago Bears, 2015 Carolina Panthers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 5 – 2021-25)
Willie Anderson, T — 1996-2007 Cincinnati Bengals, 2008 Baltimore Ravens | (Times as a Semifinalist: 5 – 2021-25)
Anquan Boldin, WR — 2003-09 Arizona Cardinals, 2010-12 Baltimore Ravens, 2013-15 San Francisco 49ers, 2016 Detroit Lions | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2022-25)
Jahri Evans, G — 2006-2016 New Orleans Saints, 2017 Green Bay Packers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 3 – 2023-25)
Antonio Gates, TE — 2003-2018 San Diego/Los Angeles Chargers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 2 – 2024-25)
James Harrison, LB — 2002-2012, 2014-17 Pittsburgh Steelers, 2013 Cincinnati Bengals, 2017 New England Patriots | (Times as a Semifinalist: 3 – 2023-25)
Rodney Harrison, S — 1994-2002 San Diego Chargers, 2003-08 New England Patriots | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2021, 2023-25)
Torry Holt, WR — 1999-2008 St. Louis Rams, 2009 Jacksonville Jaguars | (Times as a Semifinalist: 11 – 2015-2025)
Luke Kuechly, LB — 2012-19 Carolina Panthers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025)
Eli Manning, QB — 2004-2019 New York Giants | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025)
Robert Mathis, DE/LB — 2003-2016 Indianapolis Colts | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2022-25)
Steve Smith Sr., WR — 2001-2013 Carolina Panthers, 2014-16 Baltimore Ravens | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2022-25)
Terrell Suggs, LB/DE — 2003-2018 Baltimore Ravens, 2019 Arizona Cardinals, 2019 Kansas City Chiefs | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025)
Fred Taylor, RB — 1998-2008 Jacksonville Jaguars, 2009-2010 New England Patriots | (Times as a Semifinalist: 6 – 2020-25)
Earl Thomas, DB — 2010-18 Seattle Seahawks, 2019 Baltimore Ravens | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025)
Adam Vinatieri, PK — 1996-2005 New England Patriots, 2006-2019 Indianapolis Colts | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025)
Hines Ward, WR — 1998-2011 Pittsburgh Steelers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 9 – 2017-2025)
Ricky Watters, RB — 1992-94 San Francisco 49ers, 1995-97 Philadelphia Eagles, 1998-2001 Seattle Seahawks | (Times as a Semifinalist: 5 – 2020, 2022-25)
Reggie Wayne, WR — 2001-2014 Indianapolis Colts | (Times as a Semifinalist: 6 – 2020-25)
Richmond Webb, T — 1990-2000 Miami Dolphins, 2001-02 Cincinnati Bengals | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025)
Vince Wilfork, DT — 2004-2014 New England Patriots, 2015-16 Houston Texans | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2022-25)
Steve Wisniewski, G — 1989-2001 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders | (Times as a Semifinalist: 2 – 2014, 2025)
Darren Woodson, S — 1992-2003 Dallas Cowboys | (Times as a Semifinalist: 9 – 2015, 2017, 2019-2025)
Marshal Yanda, G/T — 2007-2019 Baltimore Ravens | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025)
Posted on 11/20/24 at 8:19 pm to SportsGuyNOLA
quote:
Deion Sanders
quote:
The most overrated player in NFL history
Jesus Christ.Posted on 11/20/24 at 8:22 pm to tigerfan84
Allen, Anderson, Evans, Gates, Holt, Smith Keuchly, Suggs, Wayne are the most worthy of that group
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:52 pm to DBG
We have Bob Griese in the Hall.
Eli won't break new ground.
Eli won't break new ground.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:11 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:
Giants defense won those Super Bowls, holding the 2007 Patriots to 14 points
That defense was forgotten about. So was the heavy criticism of Manning during the 2007 regular season.
Eli Manning during the 2007 regular season led the league in INTs. He just wasn’t very good at all. Also had a dropped INT right before that crazy helmet catch. His defense held an offense that was avg 31ppg to 14 pts while his offense scored 17 against a defense that was giving up 17. In other words an avg performance. He deserves some credit for the SB but he gets way way too much credit for it.
He deserves a lot of credit for the 2011’s seasons SB. Unlike the 2007 season, that was a season in which a QB shouldered a lot of responsibility and high quality play throughout the whole year. A QB like that deserves tons of credit for that SB win. He threw for almost 5K yards and a still post season record 1200+ passing yards.
Page 4 of 6
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News